RE: [Leica] Journalism, altered photo's, and other ethical debates

["B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>]

Your statement makes your position very clear; and given the position
you're espousing, I'd say that the cards are up your sleeve, not "on the
table." ;-)

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Just stating what I think BD. It might be different to sanitise the
reporting of a defensive war.

Of course, Chomsky is an activist/writer. I'm not afraid to state my
position -as I said throughout this thread, I'd rather get it out into
the open. I don't like cards under the table.

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Subject: RE: [Leica] Journalism, altered photo's, and other ethical
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> What does "a war of aggression" have to do with it? It's unacceptable,

> period. Or are you suggesting that if the girl was, say, an American 
> diplomat's daughter in Iraq, and her legs had been blown off by 
> "patriotic Iraqi resistance fighters," it would be acceptable to crop 
> the photo because it was a justifiable, defensive action against an 
> aggressor?
>
> The problem in all this is that when we start modifying basic 
> standards depending upon the politics of a situation, whatever 'truth'

> there is flies out the window.
>
> And, btw, by calling anything by Chomsky - an unquestionably brilliant

> guy - a 'seminal text,' one is making as much of a political statement

> as one would be making if one called Das Kapital a cogent analysis of 
> modern economics. ;-)
>
> B. D.
>
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> Appleby
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>
> I think in the conext of a sanitised presentation of an war of 
> aggression, that would count as unacceptable.
>
> -- Rob
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> From: "Eric Welch" <eric@jphotog.com>
> To: "Leicalist" <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 7:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Journalism, altered photo's, and other ethical 
> debates
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>
> > on 11/6/03 9:32 PM, Phong at phong@doan-ltd.com wrote:
> >
> > > Speaking of cropping, a few months ago there was
> > > a photo of bombing victims in Iraq where you see
> > > a older man carrying in his arms a girl who appears unconcious or 
> > > dead.  All the copies in the US that I saw of the photo had it 
> > > cropped so that you don't see that her leg(s) were blown away and 
> > > she was completely maimed.  Cropping in this case would appear 
> > > "dishonest".
> >
> > How do you know it was cropped? Did you see her maimed legs in 
> > non-US publications? Editors tend to go with their reader's tastes. 
> > It's hardly dishonest to crop. It's editorial judgment. The act of 
> > photographing as
> has
> > been said here, is selectively cropping from real life anyway. If 
> > the
> point
> > of the photo was her legs, then maybe it wasn't a good decision to 
> > crop,
> but
> > it's hardly dishonest because readers understand there is a world 
> > outside the borders of the photo.
> >
> > Eric Welch
> > Carlsbad, CA
> > http://www.jphotog.com
> >
> > "Where books are burned in the end people will burned, too."  
> > Heinrich
> Heine
> >
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