Re: [Leica] Digilux not same as Lumix apparently (was Re: The LEICA DIGILUX 2 is announced)

[Henning Wulff <henningw@archiphoto.com>]

At 10:53 PM -0800 12/4/03, Eric Welch wrote:
>No, that's the whole point of RAW, the image is straight from the 
>sensor, no processing. Other than to create the RAW file format. No 
>sharpening, no color correction, no filtering.

I'm sorry, Eric, but you're out to lunch on this. _ALL_ bayer pattern 
arrays need to be processed by some integration algorithm before 
anything else, and some cameras (such as the Canon 10D and digital 
Rebel, even do sharpening before saving as raw. See:

http://www.robgalbraith.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB8&Number=181319&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=all

and specifically Chuck Westfall's (Canon USA) comments:

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Hi, Folks:

Interesting thread. I haven't had the time to weigh in on it for the 
past several days for personal reasons, but I do now.

In short, Gabriel's assessment is correct in reference to the EOS 
10D, i.e., the -2 sharpening setting is the least amount of 
sharpening available for an EOS 10D image, but a small amount of 
sharpening is still applied. The 0 setting is the camera's default, 
and it represents Canon Inc.'s opinion of optimum sharpening *prior* 
to post processing in the image editor of your choice. I recently 
returned from a business trip to Japan where this very issue was 
discussed with the R&D staff, so I am absolutely sure that this 
information is correct. Furthermore, it applies just as well to other 
EOS digitals that shoot RAW files in the .CRW format, such as EOS 
Digital Rebel, D60 and D30.

The EOS-1D and EOS-1Ds can go one step further, because these cameras 
have a 0 setting for sharpening "intensity" that results in a totally 
unsharpened file. This is yet another instance where the EOS-1D and 
1Ds provide a specific feature that's unavailable with other EOS 
digital cameras.

I'm sure there will be a certain amount of frustration with the fact 
that 10D images cannot be captured or rendered with zero sharpening, 
but that's the way that Canon Inc. designed it, and that's the way 
it's going to stay.
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Chuck Westfall
Director/Technical Information Dept.
Camera Division/Canon U.S.A., Inc.

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>On Dec 4, 2003, at 7:53 PM, Henning Wulff wrote:
>
>>At 6:10 PM -0800 12/4/03, Eric Welch wrote:
>>>Phase one can't match Photoshop for control.
>>>
>>>But I was talking about Photoshop Elements. A great program, but 
>>>it can't handle RAW files for one thing. It's not for the 
>>>pre-press world I'm in.
>>>
>>>Phase-One might be good, but I prefer to process my photos with 
>>>the best out there. And that's Photoshop 8. Let the sensor dump 
>>>the data onto the CF card with no processing at all.
>>
>>That's not possible. All cameras do some processing.

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