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Subject: Re: [Leica] Fw: looking for line pairs with a stabiliser and a Leica and question
From: "animal" <s.jessurun95@chello.nl>
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 23:16:42 +0100
References: <010401c3ca6a$0bddb850$6501a8c0@CCA4A5EF37E11E>

Furthermore although the test is crude to the point that it is allmost
absurd it does show that 40 lp/mm is easily attainable from a camera that
hangs from a cable.At shutter speeds as low as 1 second.
I could not find info on that anywhere else.
jes

> Of course! :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of animal
> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 5:03 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Fw: looking for line pairs with a stabiliser and a
> Leica and question
>
>
> we want to take pictures of something from our workplace at night What
> else? silly man
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 10:45 PM
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Fw: looking for line pairs with a stabiliser and a
> Leica and question
>
>
> > And, just out of curiosity, this has what to do with photography or
> > any real world use of Leica equipment? Just wondering. ;-)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of animal
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 3:58 PM
> > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > Subject: [Leica] Fw: looking for line pairs with a stabiliser and a
> > Leica and question
> >
> >
> > Sorry for the earlier empty post.
> > Here goes.
> > A collegue and myself wanted to find out if we could get 80 line pairs
>
> > per millimeter using a Leica and a Kenyon gyro stabiliser. We could
> > not find those data in literature so last night, while also doing a
> > test of Laphroig versus Lagavullin, we decided to give it a try
> > ourselves.
> >
> > We scribbled some lines on a piece of paper with a group of line pairs
>
> > one 1 cm per pair and the other 5 mm per pair. With a Noctilux 18
> > meters away we calculated the image on the film to be 36 and 72 line
> > pairs per millimeter. We suspended the camera and running gyro from a
> > bungee cord and started. First exposure was at 1/250 second and f1.0
> > going in stops to 1 second and f16.0.
> >
> > Then we tried the same sequence while handholding the camera and
> > bracing ourselves in a doorway.
> >
> > By then we became to doubt the ability of a 4000 dpi scanner to
> > resolve our results. While one would assume that 4000 dpi translates
> > to 80 line pairs per millimeter,some knowledgeable people we asked
> > suggested that 60lp/mm is about the best such a scanner can do. So we
> > had to aim a little lower and did the same test with an aasummicron90
> > mm and the stabiliser starting at 1/60 and f2.0  .
> >
> > Although our test was hastily done it still yielded some suprises to
> > us. The biggest being that the stabiliser clearly is able to permit
> > shots at 1 second. Others were that the noctilux was still giving good
>
> > results at f 4.0 and 5.6 and stayed that way until f16.(we realise
> > that the focus shift of the lens could have been to our advantage at
> > those apertures if we started out with a focus error). Also suprising
> > was that at f 8.0 and smaller the summicron image is starting to fade.
>
> > Lastly it shows that it is hard to find the testcard when handholding
> > the camera. On the page the first column is the stabilised noctilux
> > the second is the same handheld(stopping at 1/8th) and the last is the
>
> > summicron. The film used was Kodak E100 GX . The  question is to get
> > rid of focusing errors .can one set the lens accurately at infinity
> > just by putting the index on thatmarkingAnd if so at what distance
> > would one have to put the target?
> > http://www.leica-gallery.net/apekop/folder-6004.html
> > best regards
> > simon jessurun
> >
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