Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/02/27
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Because it lets us know at least one side of the story so that it doesn't appear to be a load of piss, bluster and plain old sour grapes? Or would you have preferred something like, "I got ripped off but I'll spare you the gory details." Or would you have preferred he name names immediately instead of being diplomatic? Jeez. Brian, Joe and others have been exactly spot on with their assessment of how this was handled by Mark. On Feb 27, 2004, at 11:09 AM, Jerry Lehrer wrote: > Joe > > Yes, but why tell us about his private negotiations unless it could > help us? How could it help us? > > Jerry > > Joe Leung wrote: > >> Jerry, >> >> I think Mark is very kind. He tried to send a warning to the seller >> and to >> give him a final chance to resolve the matter privately before >> exposing his >> identity. I hope the seller will do something about it before it's >> too late. >> >> Good luck Mark. >> >> Joe L. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Lehrer" <jerryleh@pacbell.net> >> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> >> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 7:27 AM >> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS: Buyer Beware! an open letter >> >>> Mark >>> >>> Since you have withheld the sellers name, your message does >>> not prevent any of us from falling into a similar trap from the >>> same seller. >>> >>> Otherwise, why send an "open letter"? >>> >>> Jerry >>> >>> Mark Theken wrote: >>> >>>> Over the past two years, I have made many mutually >>>> beneficial transactions with LUG participants. I >>>> deeply regret the necessity to post this message >>>> regarding a recent transaction. The seller, by >>>> refusing to respond to my correspondence, has given me >>>> no alternative to seek the refund I have requested >>>> over the past 2 weeks. >>>> Dear XXXXXXX: >>>> I am requesting that you acknowledge the sale and >>>> guarantee of originality of black paint M3 # 993XXX >>>> which I received from you on 2/6/2004. I contacted >>>> you immediately after receiving this camera and >>>> politely stated my concerns regarding the authenticity >>>> of this camera. The documentation you claimed prior >>>> to the sale was unavailable. Because you were unable >>>> to provide copies of this documentation, I politely >>>> requested that you accept the return of this camera >>>> and refund the purchase price. You responded with a >>>> refusal to discuss this transaction any further. >>>> Curiously, you also ignored my request to provide a >>>> sales receipt for this mail order transaction. >>>> Regardless, I have copies of the bank draft, made >>>> payable to you, in the amount of USD $6225. >>>> Based upon your claim of expertise in authenticating >>>> rare Leica cameras, I made the good faith and sight >>>> unseen purchase of this camera which you listed for >>>> sale on the LUG website. It has since been >>>> established by three internationally recognized Leica >>>> collectors that this camera was altered from the >>>> original 1960 production at some point in time. That >>>> message was forwarded to you 2/20/2004. Based upon >>>> this information, two possibilities exist. >>>> 1-Your representation of the authenticity and >>>> guarantee of originality of black paint M3 # 993XXX >>>> was erroneous. >>>> 2-You were aware that this camera had been altered >>>> since the original production in 1960. Your refusal >>>> to respond to any of my correspondence about this >>>> transaction makes this very disturbing to me. >>>> You stated in our correspondence that this camera has >>>> a value of two times the price that I paid. In >>>> reality, the value is more likely 50% of the price I >>>> paid. If you are convinced that the value of the >>>> camera is as you have stated, reversing this >>>> transaction should be a very simple economic decision >>>> for you. >>>> As I stated in my previous messages to you, by >>>> returning the purchase amount of USD $6225 to attorney >>>> Alfred Wolsky in Arlington, MA, we can both walk away >>>> from this transaction undamaged. Mr. Wolsky, the >>>> Legal Officer of the LHSA, has graciously agreed at my >>>> request to act as an escrow agent. He will hold the >>>> camera to be returned to you by whatever arrangements >>>> you make with him. In that event, I am willing to >>>> accept that the first possibility listed above is >>>> correct. I think we both will sleep much better with >>>> that conclusion to this matter. >>>> Your frequent posts to the LUG over the past two years >>>> have stated your expectation of a high level of >>>> integrity from LUG participants. It is now time for >>>> you to act as you expect others to. It is not my >>>> intention to impeach your expertise, integrity or >>>> standing within the LUG or LHSA community in any way. >>>> >>>> I feel it is in our mutual best interest for you to >>>> respond to this request immediately. >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Mark Theken >>>> telephone: 330-494-3552 >>>> marktheken@yahoo.com >>>> >>>> __________________________________ >>>> Do you Yahoo!? >>>> Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. >>>> http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools >>>> -- >>>> To unsubscribe, see >>>> http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html >>> >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe, see >>> http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe, see >> http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html