[Leica] Zeiss Ikon

[bdcolen at earthlink.net (B. D. Colen)]

I'm sorry, Didier, but the shutter noise myth is just that - a myth. My
Olympus E-1 sounds no louder than my M - honest. It's a different sound,
but not a louder sound. The M is NOT silent. Quiet, yes, but this whole
"quiet" and "silent" thing is in comparison to the loud, whiney motor
driven SLRs.....The diffence in sound between a Leica M and the mental
Bessa/Cosina/Zeiss shutter isn't going to cost anyone any shots...

But again I stress that I have not seen this camera, and it may turn out
to be a total piece of crap - in which case this discussion is
meaningless, and what I've said is dead wrong. :-) 
-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
Didier Ludwig
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 6:52 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: RE: [Leica] Zeiss Ikon


You forgot one point that will probably stay in favor of the Leicas: the

shutter noise. Ok, the silence of the cloth shutter is the price for the

1/1000 limit, but the metal shutter of the ZI will be louder for shure.
And 
there are a lot of "ifs" remaining until the Zeiss features have been 
tested and confirmed by at least 50 LUGger's - with the M we know what
we 
have. A M doesn't need a warranty - it is one.
Didier

>One thing to keep in mind about the Zeiss, guys - assuming that it's a 
>really well built, solid body: If you can buy a new Zeiss with a good 
>warranty for what you can buy a used M6 for, why would you be buying an

>M6 with a slower flash sync, slower top shutter speed, bottom loading, 
>and lower viewfinder magnification - other than to buy a red dot. And 
>all of that is assuming that the Zeiss is a high quality body. I'd 
>suggest that we may not only be at the end of the age of film, but if 
>this camera is as good as promised, we may also be at the end of the 
>age in which one automatically goes for the Leica M assuming it to be 
>superior to everything else.
>
>But who knows, it may turn out that it is still superior. :-)
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
>[mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of

>Dan C
>Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 5:43 PM
>To: Leica Users Group
>Subject: Re: [Leica] Zeiss Ikon
>
>
>Nathan....I also have one of those "rare" non-TTL bodies.  I stopped 
>using it and reverted back to my older .72 model, hoping that maybe I 
>could make
>a killing on eBay.   But last week one in perfect condition sold for
>only
>$1200; so much for my dream.   But this is what prompted me to start
>this
>thread.
>
>My local dealer here in Montreal told me that he can't get $1500 CDN 
>for a used regular M6.  But unless that Zeiss Ikon turns out to be some

>kind of miracle camera (and a bigger viewfinder alone won't do it for 
>me) and I wanted a rangefinder, that used M6 is sure tempting.
>
>By the way, I actually prefer the .72 model, and hindsight tells me 
>that I was slightly crazy when I bought the .85 model.
>
>-dan c.
>
>At 11:26 PM 02-10-04 +0200, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
> >My 0.85 viewfinder on the M6 is the best of them all. That is the 
> >only Leica rangefinder body I have kept following my digital 
> >epiphany. And
>to
> >make it even better, it is one of the "rare" non-TTL versions of the 
> >M6HM. Not that I care, I have already deflowered it from a 
> >collector's point of view by using it extensively since buying it a 
> >couple of years
>ago.
> >
> >Nathan


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