Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/01/16

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Subject: Quality/size ratio and digital - Re: [Leica] re: digital treadmill
From: dennis at hale-pohaku.com (Dennis Painter)
Date: Mon Jan 16 15:24:42 2006
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More companies are manufacturing sensors. Cypress has just come out with an 
APS
size sensor:

http://www.cypress.com/portal/server.pt?space=CommunityPage&control=SetCommunity&CommunityID=209&PageID=259&fid=206&rpn=CYIHDSC9000AA

http://tinyurl.com/aq8gf

There is really not much on the site that isn't listed below:

CMOS technology, 9 megapixel, APS size (23.3x15.5mm)

What is interesting is that Cypress apparently sees a market for this.


Scott McLoughlin wrote:

> Makes sense to me. What doesn't make sense is why more companies
> aren't then manufacturing more sensors.  Business abhors a vacuum, as
> it were.  Certainly in other areas of semiconductor design and fabrication
> (and associated supporting chipsets, firmware and the like) there is no
> shortage of companies - and plenty of venture capital to start new ones.
>
> What is the $$ volume of the camera industry (consumer, commercial,
> industrial)?  If it's relatively small, that might explain the
> differences with
> the rest of the (huge) chip industry.
>
> Scott
>
> Don Dory wrote:
>
> >Scott,
> >Sony is trying this sort of with the R1.  It is the first of the all in
> >one's to use an APS-C sensor.  Possibly a little bigger than what you 
> >asked
> >for but it is a start.
> >
> >As an aside, one of my friends who shoots "fine art" still uses a Contax 
> >T2
> >for his slice of life images.  He holds it in the palm of his hand and 
> >trips
> >it with his thumb.
> >
> >One of the issues is that APS-C sensor production is relatively limited so
> >no one has risked the "image" camera.  At some point when the sensor wars
> >settle down and we have generic sensors that a manufacturer could specify
> >for use in a luxury camera.  How easy life was and the choices available
> >when 35mm film was still a medium of choice.
> >
> >Don
> >don.dory@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >On 1/15/06, Scott McLoughlin <scott@adrenaline.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>When will camera manufacturers finally begin to address this quality/size
> >>ratio issue with digital cameras? In addition to Leica's, in fairly
> >>recent years,
> >>film technology  gave us oodles of nice, very, very high quality film P&S
> >>cameras from many manufacturers- you know, Contax T3's, Leica CM's
> >>and the like (pic your favorite).
> >>
> >>Yet we still don't have pocketable digicams (AF or RF ) with big APS or
> >>larger sensors and world class, reasonably fast fixed focal length 
> >>optics.
> >>Heck, my first "real camera" Canonet I received as a 12 year old  had a
> >>f1.7 lens or so, IIRC.
> >>
> >>Yeah, a  very high quality small digital camera will not be a "Best Buy"
> >>kind
> >>of mass market camera, but then neither were the very high quality small
> >>film cameras.  But if there was a market for the quality small film
> >>cameras,
> >>why not with digital?
> >>
> >>Scott
> >>
> >>Jonathan Borden wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>What keeps me with the M6 (at least for the next year) is a couple of
> >>>factors:
> >>>
> >>>1) the quality/size ratio -- you can compare an M6/film image against
> >>>a DSLR but compact digital cameras don't really approach the image
> >>>quality of an M6 and film.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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In reply to: Message from bdcolen at comcast.net (B. D. Colen) ([Leica] re: digital treadmill)
Message from jonathan at openhealth.org (Jonathan Borden) ([Leica] re: digital treadmill)
Message from scott at adrenaline.com (Scott McLoughlin) (Quality/size ratio and digital - Re: [Leica] re: digital treadmill)
Message from don.dory at gmail.com (Don Dory) (Quality/size ratio and digital - Re: [Leica] re: digital treadmill)
Message from scott at adrenaline.com (Scott McLoughlin) (Quality/size ratio and digital - Re: [Leica] re: digital treadmill)