Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/03/22
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]God I know I'll hate myself in the morning....but.... I'd suggest Walt that the Spanish Civil War was, in so far as it was a fight between Spaniards, a fight between fascists and democrats - and that all manner of liberals, leftists, and communists flocked to the democratic side to fight the fascists, while the Nazis backed Franco and used Spain as a testing range for the development and refinement of weapons and tactics, particularly the use of airpower. But there were plenty of well-meaning Americans, Canadians, etc., who were not communists, who joined the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, et.al, to fight fascism, and who were latter smeared as "commies" for their efforts. On 3/22/06 3:11 PM, "Walt Johnson" <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote: > Well Luis I will tell you, > > "/*I don't see.. any method at all". */I have seen more than a few > people shot though, with a variety of weapons. I don't rely on the > reminiscence of others for my information. Had you been following theses > posts carefully rather than getting "emotional" about the facts it would > be much easier to have a discussion. I don't believe anyone here, me > included, ever tried to whitewash our governments heavy-handed actions > in the world. It is, however, one of those historic facts that the war > there was primarily one between fascists and communists. It is also > quite factually evident all governments used their media to espouse > propaganda and the propaganda at that period in time was quite > anti-fascist, Especially for those publishing Vu and Life. > > As far as it being "a hurting time in our story", so what. My > Grandfather was in WW!, my father was shot down after 50 combat missions > in WWII. and spent a year in a German POW camp. I spent over a year in > Vietnam. So again, regarding your story, so what? > > When a point of view is presented without evidence it can be refuted > without evidence. > > Walt > > Luis Miguel Casta?eda wrote: > >> >> On 22/03/2006, at 18:56, lug-request@leica-users.org wrote: >> >>> And what of the"other falling soldier" that was carried off before >>> Garcia got his? Don't tell me, "it's just a flesh wound". >> >> >> According the original numeration from the contacts it seems that >> Garcia got that first and suggest that the picture catching was pure >> luck, the other was taken later, and presumably the gunshot made him >> fell out of camera's sight, and that was way down. Mauser bullets >> were quite powerful, the impact force used to throw bodies a few >> steps away and even disengage members of those who took a hit, as my >> grandfather - who had to fight - told many times. >> >>> Who could believe in the accuracy of "war archives" from 1936 Spain? >> >> >> Well, let's accept that it will be a fake. Why two different and >> independent war registrys (Madrid and Salamanca) will list him in the >> same day and place that Capa stated ? why the testimonials of other >> unit members to their brother matches? >> >> You can believe or not, the evidences that we can have points >> reasonably to their veracity, you're on your right to do not accept >> it and have doubts, but please bring up evidences instead fiddling >> about this or that without solid arguments instead suspects . >> >>> As long as we are discussing credibility look into the Spanish >>> governments response to Gene Smith's */Spanish Village./* >> >> >> Mind you, I'm spanish but I won't take this as an offensive >> statement, the same can be said about the US, the UK, France, the >> former URSS and every single nation over this world, but please, at >> least compare things that can be compared. That was a hurting time in >> our story, our family ( me included) had 3 generation exile and more >> than a handful family members killed in that war. >> >> >> >> >> >> Saludos >> ----------------------------------------- >> http://imaginarymagnitude.net/blog/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information