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Subject: [Leica] Tri Elmar M 16-18-21 mm F4 ASPH lens
From: henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff)
Date: Mon Sep 18 08:33:42 2006
References: <000b01c6dacf$939cf3a0$6501a8c0@asus930>

>Hey Henning, I did read your post on this and 
>replied asking about the second mark that I 
>can't see.
>This is from the Leica US site
>The LEICA UNIVERSAL WIDE-ANGLE VIEWFINDER M 
>enables precise cropping of the subject with the 
>LEICA TRI-ELMAR-M f/4/16-18-21 mm ASPH.
>on the LEICA M7 and MP as well as the digital 
>LEICA M8. For the LEICA M8, the focal length 
>extension factor of 1.33x has to be
>considered, so in this case the bright-line 
>frames for 21, 24 or 28 mm are set on the LEICA 
>UNIVERSAL WIDE-ANGLE VIEWFINDER M.
>
>I like German beer
>Or if you find an extra index mark to show us, I'll split the beers with 
>you.
>
>Cheers
>Hoppy

As noted, look at the top view of the viewfinder on dpreview.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: 
>lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org 
>[mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] 
>On Behalf Of
>Henning Wulff
>Sent: Monday, 18 September 2006 12:02
>To: Leica Users Group
>Subject: RE: [Leica] Tri Elmar M 16-18-21 mm F4 ASPH lens
>
>>Gene,
>>Yes on an M7.
>>No on an M8. Want to bet a six pack on it ;-)
>>The universal wide  finder does not compensate
>>for the "crop factor". There is no interface
>>with the camera except for a shoe mount.
>>The internal finder does compensate, of course.
>>
>>Cheers
>>Hoppy
>
>I think you guys missed this before, but I'll
>point it out again. There are TWO lines on the
>dial on which you set the focal length. One for
>the M8, one for the film bodies. Easy. Both
>formats are taken care of.
>
>The dpreview picture of the finder shows this clearly.
>
>Please contact me for information on how to send me my sixpack. :-)
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:
>>lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org
>>[mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org]
>>On Behalf Of
>>grduprey@mchsi.com
>>Sent: Monday, 18 September 2006 01:02
>>To: Leica Users Group
>>Subject: RE: [Leica] Tri Elmar M 16-18-21 mm F4 ASPH lens
>>
>>Looking at the dial on the new finder, it looks
>>like you set the focal lenght for the actual
>>focal length for the camera.  And that
>>is what I also got reading the DPreviw artical
>>and the lit from Leica on their site.
>>
>>Gene
>>
>>
>>-------------- Original message from "G
>>Hopkinson" <hoppyman@bigpond.net.au>:
>>--------------
>>
>>
>>>   Gene, what about on an M7
>>>   What about the current 21 on an M8?
>>>
>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>   From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org
>>>   [mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On Behalf 
>>> Of
>>>   grduprey@mchsi.com
>>>   Sent: Saturday, 16 September 2006 15:01
>>>   To: Leica Users Group
>>>   Subject: RE: [Leica] Tri Elmar M 16-18-21 mm F4 ASPH lens
>>>
>>>   Actually Hoppy, you set the finder for the 
>>>focal lenght of the lens you are
>>>   attaching, as Tom alluded to several posts ago.
>>>
>>>   Gene
>>>
>>>
>>>   -------------- Original message from "G Hopkinson" :
>>>   --------------
>>>
>>>
>>>   > And the quoted price for lens and universal
>>>wide angle finder is 3,500 Euro.
>>>   > Actually when you read the spec more 
>>>carefully, that finder will display 5
>>>   > frames (all singly), being 16, 18, 21, 24 & 28. Since
>>>   > there's no interface with the camera (except
>>>for a mounting foot) I guess you
>>>   > need to remember which to select on the M7 etc or M8.
>>>   >
>>>   > So for M8:
>>>   > with the new Tri-Elmar you set 16, 18 or 21
>>>but you actually get 21, 24 or 28
>  >>  > effectively.
>>>   > If you fit the current 21 you'd need to set
>>>28. For the 24, 28 and up you use
>>>   > the camera's finder.
>>>   >
>>>   > For the M7 and earlier, you can use 16, 18 or 21 as 16, 18, or 21
>>>   > For the current 21, 24 and 28 you can set 21, 24, or 28
>>>   > For 28 (.72 & lower) and up you can use the camera finder.
>>>   >
>>>   > My brain hurts, I need to lie down now.
>>>   >
>>>   > Cheers Hoppy
>>>   > 51 this year or 68 effective with crop factor.
>>>   >
>>>   > -----Original Message-----
>>>   > From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org
>  >>  > 
>[mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] 
>On Behalf Of
>>>   > grduprey@mchsi.com
>>>   > Sent: Saturday, 16 September 2006 13:41
>>>   > To: Leica Users Group
>>>   > Subject: RE: [Leica] Tri Elmar M 16-18-21 mm F4 ASPH lens
>>>   >
>>>   > The Leica web site has all the info on it
>>>also. Considering the cost of the
>>>   > Zeiss single/double lens finders compared to the tri
>>>   > finder from Leica, can't be that bad. And
>>>then it is the only finder you would
>>>   > need.
>>>   >
>>>   > Gene
>>>   >
>>>   >
>>>   > -------------- Original message from "G Hopkinson" :
>>>   > --------------
>>>   >
>>>   >
>>>   > > Mark the specs and brochure are released,
>>>at least to user forum members. I
>>>   > > guess they must be in wide circulation by now.
>>>   > > It does look yummy. Its Dimensions and weight
>>>   > > Length to bayonet flange approx. 63mm
>>>   > > Largest diameter approx. 55mm
>>>   > > Weight approx. 350g
>>>   > > For us metric folks.
>>>   > >
>>>   > > But you are going to have to buy the 
>>>horrendously complex and expensive
>>>   super
>>>   > > finder thingie to go with it.
>>>   > >
>>>   > > Cheers
>>>   > > Hoppy
>>>   > >
>>>   > >
>>>   > > -----Original Message-----
>>>   > > From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org
>>   > > >
>>[mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org]
>>On Behalf Of
>>>   > > Mark Rabiner
>>>   > > Sent: Friday, 15 September 2006 10:44
>>>   > > To: lug@leica-users.org
>>>   > > Subject: [Leica] Tri Elmar M 16-18-21 mm F4 ASPH lens
>>>   > >
>>>   > > http://www.dpreview.com/articles/leicam8/
>>>   > > !!!!!!!~!!!!!
>>>   > >
>>>   > > I'm not seeing any mention of this mouth
>>>watering hot little volcano of an
>>>   > > item as part of the dpreview article on
>>>the M8. I wonder if anyone bothered
>>>   > > turning the page!!!?!.
>>>   > > I think we're all to busy playing with 
>>>our DSLR's to bother with what's
>>>   > > happening with Leica.
>>>   > >
>>>   > > On your M8 it becomes an 21-24-28 mm.
>>>   > >
>>>   > > Film M users might clamor for a 21-24-28 mm. Putting it mildly.
>>>   > > Could get them to learn to love the digital revolution.
>>>   > > To go with their 16-18-21 mm which has revolutionized their Leica 
>>> film
>>>   > > shooting.
>>>   > > Not that THAT would NOT also revolutionize their film shooting.
>>>   > > As they've promised it covers a whole hunk of 24x36mm flim.
>>>   > >
>>>   > > But sooner or later it will be 
>>>interesting and I think it will be after
>>>   > > another year that Leica makes a lens optimized for the 1.33 
>>> "format".
>>>   > > With advantages in the compactness end as
>>>well as the quality of the other
>>>   > > end as its an optic designed around a 
>>>much smaller image circle. And can
>>>   > > thus be made to produce a higher quality image in that area.
>>>   > > Smaller the circle the higher the 
>>>resolution and so on are going to be.
>>>   > > Some of us may not know that. Glass which
>>>covers medium format as in 6x6cm
>>>   > > do not have the rez in a 24x36 area tat a
>>>lens designed for that format has.
>>>   > > And its obvious a medium format lens is
>>>nowhere near as compact as lenses
>>>   > > made for 35.
>>>   > >
>>>   > > I've been loving using my 55-200mm 
>>>F/4-5.6G ED AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor lens.
>>>   > > Featherweight and incredibly compact.
>>>   > > Its an 80-300 which looks like a 105 2.5 or 80 or smaller.
>>>   > > Especially if you leave the lens shade off.
>>>   > > The guy across the street would have no idea you were getting a 
>>> tight
>>>   > > headshot of his Pomeranian.
>>>   > >
>>>   > > Or Shih Tzu.
>>>   > >
>>>   > > Or Brussels Griffon.
>>>   > >
>  >>  > >
>>>   > >
>>>   > >
>>>   > >
>>>   > >
>>>   > >
>>>   > >
>>>   > > Mark Rabiner
>>>   > >
>>>   > > 40?46'58.65"N 73?49'31.68"W
>>>   > > Whitestone NY 11357
>>>   > >
>>>   > > http://rabinergroup.com/
>>>   > >
>>
>>
>>
>>
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