[Leica] Absolutely OT - Indian Music Examples

[rpalmier at depaul.edu (bob palmieri)]

Jayanand -

Very good point in that this kind of listening can help someone get  
free from the need for conventional chords to bind the linear parts  
together.

However, I don't think 'Trane (late), Ornette or Ayler would describe  
much of their music as "modal" in the sense that the term is used to  
describe Indian classical music or 'Trane's (earlier) playing on "So  
What," "Impressions" or "My Favorite Things."

(I promise the rest of you that we'll take this off list if things  
get even more specific...)

Bob Palmieri




>
> Bob,
> What I mean is that because Indian classical is all modal, and your  
> ear is
> attuned to it, later Coltrane, Ornette or even someone like Albert  
> Ayler
> become quite enjoyable (and probably vice versa). Carnatic music is  
> very,
> very structured and technical in its rules for improvisation, which  
> is still
> 95% of most renderings, while Hindustani is freer, and more  
> melodic. That
> said, they are siblings, and have the identical theoretical base -  
> the way
> they have evolved over the last few centuries is really a cultural  
> thing.
> Cheers
> Jayanand
>
> On Dec 13, 2007 8:51 PM, bob palmieri <rpalmier@depaul.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2007, at 7:13 AM, Jayanand wrote:
>>
>>> An unexpected advantage is that if your ears get used to this
>>> type of music, then John Coltrane or Ornette Coleman and their ilk
>>> will
>>> make perfect sense.
>>
>> I feel that a slight tweak to this statement could be helpful to some
>> folks.  In my opinion, despite the fact that there is great rigor
>> underlying some parts of the harmonic, rhythmic, and/or formal
>> structure in some of the late 'Trane or Ornette, it can be good to
>> take the position that this music is more about spirit than "sense."
>> Sometimes I think listeners feel slighted because they can't make
>> "sense" of this kindof thing and get put off of further listening.
>>
>> Bob Palmieri
>>