[Leica] When in doubt ask photographer

[lug at steveunsworth.co.uk (Steve Unsworth)]

Ted, I'm sure you are aware that Tarek is also a professional with lots of
experience of documentary photography.

You're experience differs from his, big deal. He didn't resort to telling
_you_ to 'get stuffed', if he had I'm sure you would have been up in arms
about it.

Steve


On 13/1/08 14:40, "Ted Grant" <tedgrant@shaw.ca> wrote:

> Tarek Charara offered quite unmistakenly!
> Subject: Re: [Leica] When in doubt ask photographer
> 
>  
> 
>>> Ted,I think we are thinking this the other way around: it's not about the
> photographer, it's about wether the subject is concentrated or not on what
> he's doing. Believing the subject could "forget" that the photographer is 
> in
> the room or around him taking pictures, is just wrong.<<<
> 
> Excuse me? 
> 
> I don't know what the hell is wrong with some of you people when you are
> dealing with a photojournalist with over half century experience of working
> in the fashion we're discussing. Then have the audacity to tell me I'm
> WRONG!! :-( Get stuffed!
> 
> I have nothing to gain by explaining to you exactly what these experiences
> are, but you people are the ones who are wrong! Damn it if I sound angry I
> bloody well am! 
> 
> When I explain to you of daily experience with published books to back it 
> up
> not to mention the assignments, do not tell me I'm wrong!
> 
>>>> The photographer can be ignored, but that doesn't mean that the 
>>>> subject's
> unconscious mind isn't aware of his presence and/or that the photographer
> isn't altering the scene by his presence.<<<
> 
> Look if you walk into a room and have 2 minutes to get some quick hit and
> miss snap you maybe right.
> 
> But what appears to be happening here is, you are not listening nor do you
> understand the difference between a 2 minute hit and run compared to a 5 
> day
> or 5 weeks day after day shooting in the environment of the subject or
> subjects you're documenting.
> 
> Your lack of understanding that it's possible to be there and not have
> absolutely any influence on the subject or subjects is in direct ratio to
> your inexperience! Certainly compared to a photojournalist of some merit in
> this field regardless of the subject and time.
> 
> Thank you all for listening, but for crying out loud get with the program
> and listen to experience!
> 
> Have a nice day!
> 
> ted
> 
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