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Subject: [Leica] When in doubt ask photographer
From: tedgrant at shaw.ca (Ted Grant)
Date: Sun Jan 13 07:15:10 2008

Hi Steve,

Well that maybe, but Tarek as a professional to professionsal he'll
understand that it isn't just at him but a number of responses some people
don't or wont listen to experience.

If Tarek is upset I'll apologize.

ted

 

-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca@leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Steve
Unsworth
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 7:08 AM
To: LUG Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] When in doubt ask photographer

 

Ted, I'm sure you are aware that Tarek is also a professional with lots of

experience of documentary photography.

 

You're experience differs from his, big deal. He didn't resort to telling

_you_ to 'get stuffed', if he had I'm sure you would have been up in arms

about it.

 

Steve

 

 

On 13/1/08 14:40, "Ted Grant" <tedgrant@shaw.ca> wrote:

 

> Tarek Charara offered quite unmistakenly!

> Subject: Re: [Leica] When in doubt ask photographer

> 

>  

> 

>>> Ted,I think we are thinking this the other way around: it's not about
the

> photographer, it's about wether the subject is concentrated or not on what

> he's doing. Believing the subject could "forget" that the photographer is
in

> the room or around him taking pictures, is just wrong.<<<

> 

> Excuse me? 

> 

> I don't know what the hell is wrong with some of you people when you are

> dealing with a photojournalist with over half century experience of
working

> in the fashion we're discussing. Then have the audacity to tell me I'm

> WRONG!! :-( Get stuffed!

> 

> I have nothing to gain by explaining to you exactly what these experiences

> are, but you people are the ones who are wrong! Damn it if I sound angry I

> bloody well am! 

> 

> When I explain to you of daily experience with published books to back it
up

> not to mention the assignments, do not tell me I'm wrong!

> 

>>>> The photographer can be ignored, but that doesn't mean that the
subject's

> unconscious mind isn't aware of his presence and/or that the photographer

> isn't altering the scene by his presence.<<<

> 

> Look if you walk into a room and have 2 minutes to get some quick hit and

> miss snap you maybe right.

> 

> But what appears to be happening here is, you are not listening nor do you

> understand the difference between a 2 minute hit and run compared to a 5
day

> or 5 weeks day after day shooting in the environment of the subject or

> subjects you're documenting.

> 

> Your lack of understanding that it's possible to be there and not have

> absolutely any influence on the subject or subjects is in direct ratio to

> your inexperience! Certainly compared to a photojournalist of some merit
in

> this field regardless of the subject and time.

> 

> Thank you all for listening, but for crying out loud get with the program

> and listen to experience!

> 

> Have a nice day!

> 

> ted

> 

>  

> 

> 

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