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Subject: (Re: [Leica] Capa or here we go again) Now Kubrick
From: walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson)
Date: Tue Jan 29 14:28:35 2008
References: <C3C36FE2.275D7%bd@bdcolenphoto.com> <CA2D064D-62B4-46D9-9557-A1B79ECD8AAD@charter.net> <479E2A39.8000102@waltjohnson.com> <BF352E9A-AEBE-457A-B346-1D1919C9A4AB@charter.net> <479F0A02.20107@waltjohnson.com> <1B8D216B-AB16-4E1D-9DCB-611B2AEA8B80@charter.net> <479F52B7.8090608@waltjohnson.com> <DC0E0331-729E-432E-90B0-AD22AC005D62@charter.net>

Absolutely love to see it..

slobodan dimitrov wrote:
> If you have Portraits, 1976, by Avedon, check out the 5  8x10 
> verticals stitched together of the Mission Council, Saigon, 4/27/71. 
> The best and the brightest.  Kubrick couldn't of done better.
> Walt, I think I owe you an image. I went to the Nikon Carcasorium in 
> Yorba Linda, CA, the day after the dignitaries' funeral event. The 
> library was open to the public. His grave was still a pile of dirt, 
> waiting for the headstone. I shot it with an M4-P, 35mm 'cron, on 
> color neg. What made the shot were the feet and legs of little 
> children playing tag around the dirt. The occasional misses left tiny 
> little foot marks on the dirt. A very moving image of my former 
> commander in chief, sigh!
> s.d.
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2008, at 8:22 AM, Walt Johnson wrote:
>
> Interesting enough our media created as many characters with Viet Nam 
> as Kubrick did with Strangelove. Bo Dai, Big Minh, The Nhu boys and 
> Madame Nhu, least we forget the burning bonze. I  think Stanley missed 
> the boat with Full Metal Jacket. Should have been more like 
> Strangelove. Sellers could have done a good Nixon. :-)
>
> slobodan dimitrov wrote:
>> His Liquor store bellied up in 1984. I guess I missed my chance also. 
>> Though you have to admit, it would been like a scene out of Dr. 
>> Strangelove to have him in back of that counter ringing up six packs. 
>> The scarf would been icing.
>> s.d.
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2008, at 3:12 AM, Walt Johnson wrote:
>>
>> Hell, I saw him and the Mrs. at Hue in 1966. He was wearing a black 
>> flight suit with a purple scarf..  A ver photogenic guy,wished I'd 
>> had a Leica then. :-)
>>
>> slobodan dimitrov wrote:
>>> No. But I was tempted to buy a bottle of beer from former Prime 
>>> Minister Ky at his liquor store in Southern California.
>>> s.d.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 28, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Walt Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>> Did you every eat in his D.C. restaurant?
>>>
>>> slobodan dimitrov wrote:
>>>> It is, Lt. Colonel Nguyen Ngoc Loan.
>>>>
>>>> Photographers should leave the writing of history to historians, 
>>>> and then quote them.
>>>>
>>>> Journalist, on the other hand, should leave analysis to historians, 
>>>> as the also lack the foundational background to put two and two 
>>>> together.
>>>> s.d.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 28, 2008, at 8:41 AM, B. D. Colen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Good Lord, Howard - What is so improbable that someone might shoot two
>>>> people dying on approximately the same spot if the photographer was 
>>>> crouched
>>>> nearby, camera pointed toward the spot?
>>>>
>>>> I think what puzzles me the most about all this is not whether or 
>>>> not it is
>>>> real, but the seeming compulsion on the part of some to insist that 
>>>> it is
>>>> not.
>>>>
>>>> How is it that Eddie Adams managed to push his shutter release at the
>>>> precise instant the Gen. Lon's bullet entered the skull of the VC 
>>>> captive?
>>>> Was that execution staged for Adams? Was he complicit in it?
>>>>
>>>> How did Bob Jackson happen to be in precisely the right position to 
>>>> get that
>>>> astounding photo of Jack Ruby shooting Oswald? Was he tipped ahead 
>>>> that the
>>>> shooting would take place?
>>>>
>>>> I don't think anyone asks those questions, yet, if one believes that
>>>> uncritical "acceptance of this most improbable coincidence is 
>>>> inadequate,
>>>>> irresponsible journalism" is the only way to view the possibility 
>>>>> that Capa
>>>> shot - sorry - two people on the same spot, how can one deal with 
>>>> those other
>>>> two astounding coincidences?
>>>>
>>>> B. D.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/28/08 11:21 AM, "Walt Johnson" <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Howard
>>>>>
>>>>> I knew some good would come from my recent generosity in the 
>>>>> collection
>>>>> plate. Even the damn clouds are in identical formations. Too much
>>>>> cogitation and too little evidence. Any one who has worked an 
>>>>> interview
>>>>> knows the ease of proving their original point of view. 
>>>>> Especially, when
>>>>> dealing with such antiquities. Where the hell are Scully and 
>>>>> Mulder when
>>>>> we need them? :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Walt
>>>>>
>>>>> Howard Ritter wrote:
>>>>>> Strange that the the writer's painstaking research and cogitation
>>>>>> weren't accompanied by even a passing question about how ONE
>>>>>> photographer happened to snap the shutter at the moments of the 
>>>>>> deaths
>>>>>> of TWO different soldiers within a few minutes at the VERY SAME SPOT
>>>>>> on a hillside. Not a word of skepticism on this point! Uncritical
>>>>>> acceptance of this most improbable coincidence is inadequate,
>>>>>> irresponsible journalism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To my mind, the second and lesser-known photograph is prima facie
>>>>>> evidence of several iterations of a staging. Unfortunately, this 
>>>>>> piece
>>>>>> does nothing to resolve the controversy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --howard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 27, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Tarek Charara wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There was this essay posted here a few months ago:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/capa_r.html>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For whatever it's worth... :^)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the best from the south of France!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tarek
>>>>>>
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