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Subject: [Leica] Not Buying M8
From: abridge at gmail.com (Adam Bridge)
Date: Mon Mar 10 20:53:56 2008
References: <0JXE002AQD9NUG10@l-daemon> <9833095A-08BB-46FD-81D2-56641CD21B49@shaw.ca> <9b678e0803100811k36c3a133mb31bebd17390ffde@mail.gmail.com> <01af01c882c3$9b4a23a0$d1de6ae0$@net> <9b678e0803100850y7f0881beu10d437070702150f@mail.gmail.com> <003701c882f4$457adc90$2101a8c0@luispersonal> <047801c8830f$a146f7f0$0200a8c0@robertbxucevjs>

You're forgetting solar and wind power.

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Robert Meier <robertmeier@usjet.net> wrote:
> Digital uses electricity at every step of the way:   it therefore requires
>  the generation of electricity, and that process is neither clean nor cheap
>  and defintiely contaminates the environment.
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Luis Ripoll" <luisripoll@telefonica.net>
>  To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org>
>  Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 4:18 PM
>  Subject: RE: [Leica] Not Buying M8
>
>
>  > Don, your arguments are very logical. The only point to comment as on a
>  > science fiction film, If I was the big boss of a big Company or if I can
>  > influence the international markets I would promote the marketing idea
>  > about
>  > digital is clean, cheap, and not contaminant
>  >
>  > Saludos cordiales
>  > Luis
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > -----Mensaje original-----
>  > De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>  > [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En nombre
>  > de
>  > Don Dory
>  > Enviado el: lunes, 10 de marzo de 2008 16:51
>  > Para: Leica Users Group
>  > Asunto: Re: [Leica] Not Buying M8
>  >
>  > Frank,Individual choice is what drove my family here almost 400 years 
> ago.
>  > No problem.  But you would not need a new computer or lenses but may 
> need
>  > a
>  > new printer. Or not,  many retailers now have an Epson 4800-7800 on
>  > premises
>  > so prints can be done elsewhere.
>  >
>  > Film is just going to get more expensive and processing more cult like
>  > unless you do your own.  Chemicals will be harder to find as the safety
>  > Nazi's continue to insist that Dektol is dangerous and requires special
>  > handling.  On the bonus side there are some great film cameras out there
>  > for
>  > next to nothing; I picked up a very clean Canon 7 with 35 F2, 50 1.4, 
> 100
>  > F2
>  > and 135 3.5 all late black lenses for $300.  At those prices I will 
> still
>  > use some film.
>  >
>  > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Frank Filippone 
> <red735i@earthlink.net>
>  > wrote:
>  >
>  >> you bring up a good point...... if it is a devalued US $.....
>  >>
>  >> The M8 would cost $3500 if it were $1 = 1 EURO.  ( currently around
>  >> $1.5 =
>  >> 1
>  >> EURO )
>  >>
>  >> Then a lot of this discussion of film to digital nonsense would go 
> away.
>  >>
>  >> All of us Americans should buy nothing, and all you Rest Or Worlders
>  >> should buy only USA Made goods.
>  >> Then the dollar would rise and the Americans could afford a $3500
>  >> Digital M.
>  >>
>  >> Anyway, I find the rest of the argument unconvincing.  I use film
>  >> because #1, I am not a pro.  I do not have to use digital.  Pros have
>  >> to use digital.
>  >> #2  I have plenty of film cameras that I won, they work, and they do
>  >> what I want them to do.  I do not have to buy something else.
>  >> #3 While my personal finances may allow me to go buy a $5K camera Plus
>  >> SW and Printer and scanner for my existing negatives/transparencies
>  >> for maybe another $2-5K, I choose to spend my $$$ other places, or not 
> at
>  > all.
>  >> #4 I can still get suitable film for what I like to do, and get it
>  >> processed, locally ( I live in Los Angeles area so processing is no
>  >> problem).  While some brands have gone away, I have found suitable
>  >> replacements.
>  >> #5 My cameras are reliable.  They are mechanical, made for 50 year
>  >> life( or more.... M6TTL is a pretty tough camera) and can be repaired
>  >> anywhere in the world in a few days by a lot of people.
>  >> #6 I have the patience to not need to Chimp or otherwise have my film
>  >> processed in 2 seconds ( I was never a fan of Polaroid either).  I can
>  >> wait.
>  >> #7 I just plain prefer to use film.  It suits me, my lifestyle, and my
>  >> hobby.
>  >>
>  >> Anything wrong with that?  For Me?
>  >>
>  >> Frank Filippone
>  >> red735i@earthlink.net
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
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>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > --
>  > Don
>  > don.dory@gmail.com
>  >
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