Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/03/11

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Subject: [Leica] Not buying a Hummer
From: ken at iisaka.org (Ken Iisaka)
Date: Tue Mar 11 15:34:55 2008
References: <43921C55D698E3ABFA957676@hindolveston.reid.org> <C3FC536A.94730%mark@rabinergroup.com> <23a0a61f0803111310w1c68021bne053d53ac83bac58@mail.gmail.com> <a3f189160803111320x4b6b2b97q97b60ff396686d27@mail.gmail.com> <4DAC958D-0879-48E9-8FC7-B4104B1FBF9A@mac.com> <47D6F51C.1080305@uusikaupunki.fi>

Interesting.

Does the study include energy used during construction, or does it
taken into account of the refining of raw materials, whether recycled
or mined?


On 3/11/08, Raimo K <raimo.m.korhonen@uusikaupunki.fi> wrote:
> According to a study by Volkswagen, IIRC about 80 % of the energy used
>  by a car during its lifetime is from the fuel. Manufacturing takes about
>  15 % and 5 % goes to making the fuel.
>  So it pays making cars more fuel efficient.
>  All the best! Raimo
>
>
>
>  Lottermoser George wrote:
>  > I believe that some of these studies take into account the entire life
>  > of the vehicle, as Doug mentioned, from smelting the metals to
>  > disposal of the heap at the end of its usefulness. Which, from an
>  > environmental point of view - certainly makes sense. if we truly cared
>  > about the environmental impact of our lives and our stuff - we'd get
>  > very serious about how to keep our tools (and vehicles) running and
>  > performing for a life time or two. Was a time when a tradesman's tools
>  > wore out about the time the tradesman wore out. My grandfather was a
>  > cabinet maker. His auger and crank drill were about done when he died
>  > (he didn't own a power tool). All of his planes are still quite useable.
>  >
>  > Fond regards,
>  > George
>  > george@imagist.com
>  > www.imagist.com
>  > http://www.imagist.com/blog
>  > Picture A Week - www.imagist.com/paw_07
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On Mar 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Sonny Carter wrote:
>  >
>  >> On 3/11/08, simon jessurun <simon.apekop@gmail.com> wrote:
>  >>> I read a study that a H1 is actually less of a burden on the
>  >>> environment
>  >>>  then a prius because of the batterypack.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Does that really make sense to you Simon?   Think about it.
>  >>
>  >> Toyota Prius II Battery Pack uses 38 prismatic NiMH modules. Each
>  >> module consists of  six 1.2 V cells connected in series. The module
>  >> has a nominal voltage of 7.2 V,  capacity of 6.5 Ah, weighs 1.04 kg,
>  >> and has dimensions of 19.6mm(W) x 106mm(H) x  275mm(L).
>  >>
>  >> Lab data says it  can go 290,000km  without degradation.
>  >>
>  >>  Read this:
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/fingerlakespermaculture@lists.mutualaid.org/msg00223.html
>  >>
>  >
>  >
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Ken Iisaka
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