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Subject: [Leica] Not buying a Hummer
From: raimo.m.korhonen at uusikaupunki.fi (Raimo K)
Date: Wed Mar 12 01:01:42 2008
References: <43921C55D698E3ABFA957676@hindolveston.reid.org> <C3FC536A.94730%mark@rabinergroup.com> <23a0a61f0803111310w1c68021bne053d53ac83bac58@mail.gmail.com> <a3f189160803111320x4b6b2b97q97b60ff396686d27@mail.gmail.com> <4DAC958D-0879-48E9-8FC7-B4104B1FBF9A@mac.com> <47D6F51C.1080305@uusikaupunki.fi> <7c7efb430803111534s3d72a98cy7ace44e21dec6861@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, it was some years ago so I do not remember the details - but the 
point was that fuel consumption is the most important factor.
All the best! Raimo K

Ken Iisaka wrote:
> Interesting.
>
> Does the study include energy used during construction, or does it
> taken into account of the refining of raw materials, whether recycled
> or mined?
>
>
> On 3/11/08, Raimo K <raimo.m.korhonen@uusikaupunki.fi> wrote:
>   
>> According to a study by Volkswagen, IIRC about 80 % of the energy used
>>  by a car during its lifetime is from the fuel. Manufacturing takes about
>>  15 % and 5 % goes to making the fuel.
>>  So it pays making cars more fuel efficient.
>>  All the best! Raimo
>>
>>
>>
>>  Lottermoser George wrote:
>>  > I believe that some of these studies take into account the entire life
>>  > of the vehicle, as Doug mentioned, from smelting the metals to
>>  > disposal of the heap at the end of its usefulness. Which, from an
>>  > environmental point of view - certainly makes sense. if we truly cared
>>  > about the environmental impact of our lives and our stuff - we'd get
>>  > very serious about how to keep our tools (and vehicles) running and
>>  > performing for a life time or two. Was a time when a tradesman's tools
>>  > wore out about the time the tradesman wore out. My grandfather was a
>>  > cabinet maker. His auger and crank drill were about done when he died
>>  > (he didn't own a power tool). All of his planes are still quite 
>> useable.
>>  >
>>  > Fond regards,
>>  > George
>>  > george@imagist.com
>>  > www.imagist.com
>>  > http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>  > Picture A Week - www.imagist.com/paw_07
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > On Mar 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Sonny Carter wrote:
>>  >
>>  >> On 3/11/08, simon jessurun <simon.apekop@gmail.com> wrote:
>>  >>> I read a study that a H1 is actually less of a burden on the
>>  >>> environment
>>  >>>  then a prius because of the batterypack.
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >> Does that really make sense to you Simon?   Think about it.
>>  >>
>>  >> Toyota Prius II Battery Pack uses 38 prismatic NiMH modules. Each
>>  >> module consists of  six 1.2 V cells connected in series. The module
>>  >> has a nominal voltage of 7.2 V,  capacity of 6.5 Ah, weighs 1.04 kg,
>>  >> and has dimensions of 19.6mm(W) x 106mm(H) x  275mm(L).
>>  >>
>>  >> Lab data says it  can go 290,000km  without degradation.
>>  >>
>>  >>  Read this:
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >> 
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/fingerlakespermaculture@lists.mutualaid.org/msg00223.html
>>  >>
>>  >
>>  >
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In reply to: Message from reid at mejac.palo-alto.ca.us (Brian Reid) ([Leica] Not buying a Hummer)
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