Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/03/12
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]On Mar 12, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Chris Saganich wrote: > Your work is a good example. hmmm really ? of what may I ask ? > Brings to mind the crying baby photographs, where the photographer > made the babies cry on purpose. oh God, spare us... ! I see no connection whatever; honestly I find such a thought both incredibly remote and repugnant... Steve > The crying baby makes for a visceral reaction as does you images, > (having worked in a cancer hospital with pediatric cases I can > relate to your images on this level), but in the former case one > might ask, why are the babies crying? and the answer is because it > is what the photographer wanted. In your images one might ask why > is the child in the hospital? Not because of the photographer! The > important part is that we know this information When (What) we > don't know I feel it is a problem that is understated and little > understood. In the digital world it seems we tend to know less and > less, subjective reality is off the map, which is what makes me > nervous because is seems easy and popular; anyone can do it. As an > exploration for artists it is a rich area which makes me wish I was > 25 and in art school. As a middle aged person on the verge of > xenophobia, drinking too much caffeine, it is troublesome. > > At 12:35 PM 3/12/2008, you wrote: > >> On Mar 12, 2008, at 9:06 AM, Chris Saganich wrote: >> >>> Well again, vision doesn't cease with the shutter. The extension of >>> vision into the darkroom or the computer is often necessary. Those >>> who are solidly grounded in the conceptual framework of extension of >>> vision photography or the painterly concepts of photography have >>> little trouble with the digital world. Like solarization or IR film >>> these are obvious painterly concepts, removing reality from images, >>> bringing attention to the handwork rather then the subject. Except >>> in the digital world this commingling of concepts becomes so subtle >>> that reality can be purged or invented without anyone seeing it. It >>> is like there is violence being committed but no one notices or >>> cares, the violence is invisible, and this is why the digital world >>> seems sinister to me. >> >> I think this was always true...though it's made easier now...not >> altogether new or different... >> >> In my experience, my own photography for my book, comprising almost >> all film images, I found the honest documentation of children in the >> hospital a conscious, ongoing struggle every step of the way. >> >> Accurate and honest depiction of the child's reality was the goal, >> but >> necessarily included getting people to look... >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> >> "I never wanted to be famous" >> >> www.blurb.com >> >> >> >> >>> Perhaps in academics there is a language for this but I haven't >>> come across it. There is a new animal in the forest and I'm trying >>> to understand what it eats. >>> >>> At 07:49 AM 3/12/2008, you wrote: >>>> A great many of the worlds greatest photographic images have come >>>> from very >>>> difficult negatives. >>>> Difficult as in way over or under exposed; >>>> Not in focus or otherwise soft. >>>> Poorly composed. >>>> A decent image was made from them with someone in the darkroom who >>>> knew what >>>> they were doing. >>>> Now its a bit easier to do those things. >>>> And by a lot more people. >>>> So what? >>>> >>>> A lot more people have Photoshop and are good at it than had >>>> darkrooms and >>>> were good at it. >>>> >>>> This offends the small proud darkroom club. >>>> Those of us who were able to swing darkrooms. >>>> >>>> I for one am very glad that photography has been made more >>>> democratic. >>>> If that's the word. >>>> More for everybody. >>>> Not just those who could swing darkrooms. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> markrabiner.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>> information >>> >>> Chris Saganich, MS, Sr. Physicist >>> Weill Medical College of Cornell University >>> New York Presbyterian Hospital >>> chs2018@med.cornell.edu >>> http://intranet.med.cornell.edu/research/health_phys/ >>> Ph. 212.746.6964 >>> Fax. 212.746.4800 >>> Office A-0049 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > Chris Saganich, MS, Sr. Physicist > Weill Medical College of Cornell University > New York Presbyterian Hospital > chs2018@med.cornell.edu > http://intranet.med.cornell.edu/research/health_phys/ > Ph. 212.746.6964 > Fax. 212.746.4800 > Office A-0049 > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information Steve "I never wanted to be famous" now available at www.blurb.com kididdoc@cox.net