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Subject: [Leica] IMG: The cardinal redone
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Sat Apr 19 09:00:24 2008
References: <63EB250C-4378-45A6-AA2A-C84B9579A87F@cox.net> <C42F89D4.A2BB6%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Mark,
I dont agree about Rhinos - from elephant back, or a jeep:

http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/jayanand_001/kaziranga/

Cheers
Jayanand



On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark@rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> >
> > On Apr 19, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Leonard Taupier wrote:
> >
> >> Here is an example of a bird I have only seen in dense brush, and
> >> rare at that. I would not remove the tangled brush as it would
> >> change it's habitat. I watched this bird for 15 minutes and it never
> >> came out of the brush, just flew from one bush to another. It's a
> >> White Throated Sparrow.
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/2uydoz
> >
> >
> > if you wanted to use Photoshop to truly serve the bird...you would add
> > dense brush, to make the bird less visible.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Len
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Apr 19, 2008, at 10:29 AM, wildlightphoto@earthlink.net wrote:
> >>
> >>> Mark Rabiner <mark@rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Doug!  What kind of Photoshopping are we talking about here  which
> >>>> distorts
> >>>> the truth of the bird and its habitat?
> >>>
> >>> If image editing removes the clutter of dense brush so that the
> >>> bird appears to be in the open it's been moved from one habitat to
> >>> another.  Some birds will never be seen away from dense brush, some
> >>> are typically open-country birds and would not be found in dense
> >>> brush.  In the case of the Cardinal, as Len explained, the bird may
> >>> be found in either dense brush or singing in the open.
> >>>
> >>> Doug Herr
> >>> Birdman of Sacramento
> >>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> > best, Steve
> >
> Thing is for years and before Photoshop standard bird and other animal
> photography has been with very long lenses and picking a moment when there
> is nothing of course; between YOU and THEM. A brief moment I'd think when
> you had them in the clear.
> The fact is this is an abstraction.
> In real life  you're not going to see a bird like that as if your right on
> top of it. Its going to be far away and in the thicket. Rhino's too I
> think.
> I say all this because there is a mind set now that photography became
> "fake" when it went digital. And I don't think that's the case.
> Photography was never real.
>
> We cant trust the reality of a photo now because of Photoshop?
> No we never could.
> There was airbrush. I owned one.
>
>
>
>
> Mark William Rabiner
> markrabiner.com
>
>
>
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