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Subject: [Leica] F 5.6 and don't be there!
From: faneuil at gmail.com (Eric Korenman)
Date: Mon Apr 21 16:22:53 2008
References: <C4326F05.A3A72%mark@rabinergroup.com> <82c9dd70804211347l33bfca7ci7cad63d3ae1d6026@mail.gmail.com>

guess you are right there -- more my reaction to rant about focus.
Leica confirmed there is a focus problem with Nocts and M8s.


Eric

On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Eric Korenman <faneuil@gmail.com> wrote:
> AH!
> I can always count on 'ole faithful to blow (plus or minus 30 posts)
>
> cocktail anyone?
> Eric
>
>
> On 4/21/08, Mark Rabiner <mark@rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> > Leicas are impossible. Implausible. Unworkable.
> > The wrong tool for the wrong job every single time
> > Unviable. Unenviable
> > The unviability of so much of Leica gear is a resurgent recurrent thread 
> > on
> > the LEICA USERS GROUP the entire dozen or so years
> > i've been on it; or in it.
> > The Noctilux a prime recurring culprit.
> > Yet the Noctilux seems to be the glass of  choice for Ted and I see  just
> > last week Tina and certainly in the past Rei Shinozuka and a other 
> > masters.
> > I have used it a whole bunch.
> > Not missed the focus on that many shots.
> >
> > The modus operandi of Noctilux  might seem to be
> > f 1 AND BE THERE!!!
> >
> > But in effect
> > IT JUST AIN'T SO!
> > Its more of an f 1000th of a second and be there kind of deal in real
> > practice at least for me. I bet for others. You'd hear them say so in 
> > their
> > sleep.
> > As a day in the life light just does not cooperate.
> > You end up having to STOP DOWN. The horrors!
> > But with all your shudder speeds at 1000th.
> > That's the constant.
> >
> > An ideal working situation for a die hard Noctilux user would seem to be 
> > to
> > have two bodies. One with slow film 50 or 100 so you could f 1 till the 
> > cows
> > come home.*
> > AND one with 400 or 1600 so you could really use the lens for its 
> > intended
> > use. Shooting junkies in dark alleys between garbage cans petting their
> > black cats at midnight. With someone's flashlight shooting into the top 
> > left
> > hand corner of the lens just right off axis.
> >
> > I don't even know what the top shudder speed is with an M8. But I bet it
> > makes Noctilux shooting more fun as its probably a lot faster than f 
> > 1000th.
> > ....
> > Ok I checked, its 8000th. Three clicks up from 1000th.
> > Which is the difference between 100 and 400 film.
> > I'd think f 8000th of a second and be there with a Noct would be loads of
> > fun. You'd only need one camera.
> > But shooting white bed sheet ads in the Bonneville salt flats at the 
> > SUMMER
> > SOLSTICE AT HIGH NOON you'd have to stop down to f 5.6 or further even at
> > ISO 100.
> > Thereby blowing your whole shoot as we hear now.
> >  F 5.6 AND DON'T BE THERE!!!
> > Is what we are hearing now.
> > I've shot hundreds of shots having to stop down right around there and 
> > did
> > the depth of my Pan F or Delta 100 or Neopan 1600 save me?
> > This DOES NOT ring that little bell in my head which tells me that things
> > are honkey dory.
> > My nose is sniffing.
> >
> > I suggest those with Noctili I guess you need to have M8's have an
> > F 5.6 and be there day.
> > Blacktape your f stop dial to that station.
> > And go out and shoot like crazy and see if anything comes out when you 
> > get
> > it back from the drug store.
> > I bet almost all of it does.
> >
> > Then post it to the LUG.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > * or with an M8 firmware update to instate what's known in Nikon world 
> > to be
> > AUTO ISO
> > Which I don't leave home without.
> > You can set your shudder and f stop parameters
> > And have your ISO do the moving around.
> >
> >
> > Mark William Rabiner
> > markrabiner.com
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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In reply to: Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] F 5.6 and don't be there!)
Message from faneuil at gmail.com (Eric Korenman) ([Leica] F 5.6 and don't be there!)