Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/12/21
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Steve, yes, that world is far removed for most of us, and even though the person I refer to is my friend, I do not particularly like the pictures he takes--they just leave me cold. But that was not the point of my message. We were discussing whether the S2 would be commercially viable for Leica. And I argued that yes, it would be, although probably not in the LUG world. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 21, 2008, at 2:14 PM, Steve Barbour wrote: > On Dec 20, 2008, at 10:34 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> Frank, one of my friends is a commercial/fashion photographer. You >> have no idea how much money is spent on the photographs in a full- >> page ad or double-page spread that is to appear in a magazine like >> Cosmopolitan or Vanity Fair (I am not talking about my friend's >> fees, but about the total cost of the shoot). The cost of an S2 is >> petty cash in comparison. > > I agree that there is another world out there Nathan, since the S2 > is a Leica it's appropriate to discuss it here... > > But in so many ways it's removed from our needs and our customary > LUG world...it is entirely remote from our photographic needs, > interests, goals, experience, finances, not to mention the qualities > that brought us to the LUG... > > I would estimate that if you can buy, need, use, pay for an > S2...reading the LUG is furthest thing from your mind...(even though > often fun and informative...) > > When we say "go take pictures" that doesn't mean go to your studio, > to shoot models for Vanity Fair.... > > Why get our undies in a bunch over a camera that realistically few > need, can afford, or will ever use.... > > which stands for a way of creating pictures that would make M. HCB > turn over in his grave...? > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> Nathan >> >> Nathan Wajsman >> Alicante, Spain >> http://www.frozenlight.eu >> http://www.greatpix.eu >> http://www.nathanfoto.com >> >> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >> >> >> >> On Dec 21, 2008, at 4:57 AM, Frank Filippone wrote: >> >>> My $0.02 >>> >>> Why would a Industrial customer ( including a magazine) want >>> superb image >>> quality when the images to be printed, in a magazine or >>> newspaper, are >>> 8x11? Or even 17x11 ( double page spread) ? Good enough is good >>> enough.... and spending more on something no one can see nor the >>> printer can >>> print is downright wasteful. Corporations are not into waste. >>> Portrait >>> Pros? How many portraits ( % of the total portrait market, >>> including >>> wedding ) go bigger than 8x10/11x14 and demand quality above the >>> big time >>> Canon or Nikon cameras? Not much. >>> >>> ( I will not mention the fact that for really great, really HIGH end >>> photography, there still is Film in sizes to 11x14...... ). >>> >>> I think that the market for the S2 is only one.... well heeled >>> amateurs. >>> And Leica is going after them.......... >>> >>> All the hoopla about extra superb image quality is probably true, >>> and the >>> Pro attitude is to convince amateurs that they can achieve that >>> "quality of >>> a Pro" by using the S2. All of which may be true. But to be >>> really true, >>> the Pros would NEED to use the S2 in their jobs. >>> >>> I doubt it.... >>> >>> We have a bunch of pros on this list.... how many of you NEED to >>> use the top >>> rated Hasselblad or Sinar, or whatever cameras to produce images >>> your >>> customer base requires? Canon and Leica DMR or M8 and Nikon need >>> not >>> respond...... you are the "normal" quality...... >>> >>> The difference is perception vs need. >>> >>> Pros... how about a reasonable assessment of your customer >>> base......?????? >>> >>> Need or perception? What percentage demand quality above all >>> else? Cost be >>> of secondary importance..........by far...... >>> >>> Frank Filippone >>> red735i@earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> Steve , in my opinion, the purpose of the S2 is to offer a superb >>> medium >>> format LEICA system at the top of the quality tree for pros. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information