Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/01/17

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Subject: [Leica] Help! Too much volume on the LUG
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Sat Jan 17 07:07:27 2009
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At 12:11 AM 1/17/2009, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
 >Stick around Jan. You will have good things to share and things to learn I
 >am sure.
 >I joined Marc's Rollei list when I had one for a while, but I never saw 
 >more
 >than maybe three or four messages in six months! I don't know what was 
 >wrong
 >there!
 >You will get to read more than three or four messages in six months here.
 >Some will entertain you, some will educate you and some will annoy you but
 >there is no place like the LUG.
 >You can try contributing something yourself. I'm sure that it will be read
 >or looked at. It helps if you join in and people get to know you as well.

This is a bit harsh, Geoff.

First, Leicas are not for every 
photographer.  Nor are Rolleis for everyone.  To 
each and his one, and the world is the better for 
the diversity.   Frankly, I'm most comfortable 
with a Rolleiflex TLR but, then, I've never 
written a book on them, yet, though I have 
written books dealing with my other loves, the 
Leica family and Zeiss Ikon cameras.  And my 
long-delayed history of the Leica camera -- which 
started out as a joint project with Erwin and 
another early member of the LUG -- is now 
resurecting itself, so I may end up getting that 
done before I get around to writing about 
Rolleiflex and Voigtl?nder and Kilfitt.  In any 
event, if I am to shoot pictures, I tend to take 
either my 2.8GX or my 2.8F 12/24 if I have to 
keep things simple.  Again, to each his own.

Second, the Rollei List has never had "three or 
four messages in six months".  The postings on 
Friday each week on FS/WTB items are a lot larger 
than that, and I post my Admin Rules reminder 
every week, 26 times in a half-year.  But, yes, 
the message traffic is a lot smaller there than 
it is on the LUG.  We used to have a lot more 
discussion but we seem to have hammered things 
out pretty well.  So, now, discussions are rarely 
spicey, just requests for information and someone 
copying a message they originally sent in, say, 
1995.  We did recently enjoy a Rollei version of 
that LUG constant, film versus digital, but our 
disputes generally end very peacefully, without 
bullet wounds to body or ego, and with the folks 
agreeing to disagree and falling silent.  Not a 
big deal, really.  Sure, the Rollei List is far 
more gear-oriented than is the LUG, and 
picture-viewing is not a large part of its 
content but, then, note that this the Leica 
Users' Group and that the Rolei List is just 
that, the Rollei List:  members are free to post 
and discuss pictures but most do not seem to 
choose to do so.  Our talk is more about the lore 
and the history and the usage of the equipment 
than discussing results made from the stuff.  We 
do have some interesting OT discussions but the 
last blow-up was after 9/11 when I clamped down 
on discussions of politics and a few members resigned in disgust.

You might want to rejoin and visit for a 
while.  We are peaceful and not seeking 
domination of anything other than the photographic world, after all!

Pick up a camera.  Shoot a picture.  You're 
hooked when you see the print.  Pick up a 
Rolleiflex, and you are in love for life.

Marc




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Replies: Reply from imra at iol.ie (Douglas Barry) ([Leica] Help! Too much volume on the LUG)
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Message from alcedo at verizon.net (Jan Decher) ([Leica] Help! Too much volume on the LUG)
Message from hoppyman at bigpond.net.au (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] Help! Too much volume on the LUG)