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Subject: [Leica] 28 Summicron and IR hotspot... on film
From: henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:33:22 -0700
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Hi Slobodan,

As I just replied to Tim, I've never experienced that. Yes, of course 
HIE has to be loaded and unloaded in the dark as do most less 
sensitive IR films, but I've never had fogging through the shutter 
curtains. I mainly used one M4 that I bought new about 1972, but 
before that I used a Ig. Both those cameras were perfect for IR.

Fogging through the curtains was never an issue for me and while most 
of my shooting has been in Canada in the summer (main IR shooting 
season) the sun is as bright as in California. Heat is not an issue 
as HIE isn't heat sensitive in the sense that infrared in the 
spectral region of heat could fog it. 'Baking' it is obviously a bad 
idea and will fog it as it will any other high sensitivity film.

I've also heard from some people that they had problems with various 
4x5 sheet film holders. For my 4x5 HIE work I used Lisco holders, and 
never had any problems. As per usual practice though I never exposed 
any sheet film holders to more sunlight than absolutely necessary.



>Shouldn't be news, as it's been extensively covered several decades 
>ago, long before M8 nabobs came on the scene.
>When I used to shoot HIE on the beaches of South Cal. I had to load 
>my film into my camera in a changing bag. Otherwise, I would get 
>bars of 'exposure' bleeding through the canister felt, making the 
>film utterly useless.
>Without a mirror deflecting the light coming through the lens, both 
>my M3 and M4, at the time, bled 'heat' through the cloth curtain. I 
>even tried having a lens cap on until the last possible moment, but 
>that proved a bit too awkward.
>S.d.
>
>
>On Apr 16, 2009, at 7:34 AM, Tim Gray wrote:
>
>>  Are you implying that it occurs before the exposure through the
>>  shutter curtain? That's news to me...
>>
>>  On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Slobodan Dimitrov
>>  <s.dimitrov at charter.net> wrote:
>>>  It's prevalent to rangefinders, as they have no mirror to act as a 
>>> baffle.
>>>  That off course excludes the Nikon SP, of which the latter run used a 
>>> metal
>>>  shutter.
>>>  It's one reason why usage of HEI took off when the SLR came into use. 
>>> The
>>>  japanese SLRs that is.
>>>  A friend, back in the early 70's, converted an M4 to a metal 
>>>shutter curtain
>>>  for that very reason.
>>>  It wasn't cheap, even by the neolithic economics of that era.
>>>  S.d.
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Apr 16, 2009, at 6:41 AM, Tim Gray wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Well I've heard lots about hotspots on digital cameras but never on
>>>>  film.  Which was why I asked.
>>>>
>>>>  If you don't want that HIE, I might be interested :D
>>>>
>>>>  On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  There is some useful anecdotal info from the M8 here:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?s=26793094e0d9c5042ed22f16ba1a86a8&t=257which
>>>>>  will apply equally to HIE or other very IR sensitive films.
>>>>>
>>>>>  I have used a lot of HIE in the past and still have a brick frozen, 
>>>>> but I
>>>>>  think I'll need to use it soon.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Marty
>>>>>
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