Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/10/30
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]On Oct 30, 2009, at 8:21 PM, Henning Wulff wrote: > At 2:59 AM +0000 10/31/09, grduprey at mchsi.com wrote: >> >> All this Bitching about the M8/9 viewfinder.... It works just fine >> as is, go out and take pictures and stop crying about the stupid vf. >> > > > Come on, Gene. You KNOW the bitching is more important than any > actual photos could ever be. It also takes more skill to do it well. a viable measure is urgently needed, don'tcha think Henning ? the BI will do the trick, quantitative not qualitative, this "bitchin index" quickly gives us the ratio of bitchin e-mails per photo... (assuming the denominator is greater than zero) Steve > > > > > :-) OK. I'm outa here. > > >> >> Gene -------------- Original message from Henning Wulff <henningw at >> archiphoto.com >> >: -------------- >> >> >>> At 4:36 PM -0700 10/30/09, Frank Filippone wrote: >>> >Hey, if you don't speak your mind, the status quo continues.... >>> and God >>> >knows, our beloved M8 cameras will be upgradeable >>> forever......Right! >>> > >>> >Daniels has the company line to speak and repeat. He does so >>> well. Yes, >>> >the M8/M9 are .68 VF cameras. Does that make it a) right, b) >>> customer >>> >driven, c) the only choice Leica had d) my or your choice? I >>> don't think >>> >there is history that says.. they could have, customers had no >>> say, not my >>> >choice or preference. YMMV. >>> > >>> >They did not do a higher mag VF for some reason.. what that real >>> reason is, >>> >is Leica's secret..... and they ain;t telling us. >>> > >>> >What I get upset at is the incessant statement that it can not be >>> done. Or >>> >that there is no one that wants a higher mag VF.,... I do. I >>> liked my M3 >>> >finder ... .91 and all that. Sure, it was useless if you had a >>> 35mm lens on >>> >( without eyes) but it was a wonderful shoot with a 50......Both >>> eyes >>> >open..... remember what is was like to not get a headache if you >>> were >>> >following the action with your M3, with both eyes..... so that >>> you could see >>> >the action come into your frame? >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> No. no. no. no. no. no. and no. Well, maybe for you. >>> >>> >>> A .55, so I can see the 28 frames clearly with glasses, and a .42, >>> so >>> I can see the 21 frames clearly with glasses. >>> >>> I like the current M8/9 for 35's and above, but it's a bit too tight >>> for the 35 and almost right for the 50. Maybe a 0.8. >>> >>> But right now, if I could have one body that showed me 21mm >>> framelines, visible with glasses and another body that had the >>> current framelines I'd be delighted. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >Sure it can be done. They already did it... the .85 and .58 >>> M6TTL cameras >>> >are examples. Maybe you don't like the choices, maybe like me, >>> the M6 28 >>> >finder is not visible with glasses in a .72 body ( not easily, at >>> least), >>> >maybe they did it for time to market, stubborn Germanic marketing >>> theories, >>> >or otherwise. >>> > >>> >But don't blindly say it can't be done or that they will not do >>> it..... >>> >Market demand focuses efforts on the "impossible" and or stubbornly >>> >refused.....and the LUG is one way to getting the word to the >>> uppers at >>> >Leica that there is a marketing need that needs addressing..... >>> > >>> >A higher Mag Digi-M would pump demand for the longer lenses, like >>> the135 APO >>> >Telyt, make focusing easier and more accurate for the Nocti and >>> Summilux 50 >>> >and 75, and Summicron 75, and 90 lenses, all valid reasons >>> ( the main >>> >reason for the .85 M6) for a higher VF mag. >>> > >>> >If market demand created a White M8, then market demand can >>> create a higher >>> >mag M8., M9, or M10. >>> > >>> >Whatever happens, never lose sight of the power of the consumer >>> to get >>> >products they want, onto the shelves.... >>> > >>> >Speaking of which.. the M9.... No IR filter required, no smaller >>> sensor.. >>> >all impossible, or so we were told..... >>> > >>> >Nonsense. Marketing nonsense. >>> > >>> >Want better low light response than an M8 or M9? Complain, >>> incessantly. >>> > >>> >It will come... So will my higher mag VF..... >>> > >>> >Frank Filippone >>> >red735i at earthlink.net >>> > >>> > >>> >Of course, there has also been "the final word" from Hans Peter >>> Cohn (no >>> >digital M) and Steven K. Lee (upgradeable digital M) on many >>> issues. So if >>> >you don't like what you hear on some issue now, wait for the next >>> CEO. >>> > >>> >Dante >>> > >>> > >>> >Frank its been hashed over a lot elsewhere and the final word is >>> from Stefan >>> >Daniel. >>> > >>> > > -- > > * Henning J. Wulff > /|\ Wulff Photography & Design > /###\ mailto:henningw at archiphoto.com > |[ ]| http://www.archiphoto.com > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information