Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/11/09
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]And while we're at it (not directed to Mark particularly), dismissing M9 reviewers who are Canon or Nikon users as "not getting it" doesn't do Leica any favors. Yes, they will flub some small detail in a review (just as I'm sure many M users would misunderstand Nikon's various AF modes). But these people and their readers represent the future of the brand and are capable of influencing buying decisions. Without a sizable conquest market, the M9 is the end of the line for Leica (Stefan Daniel's statements notwithstanding). When you market a camera that (will likely) cost $7,500 (by the end of this year), you can't rest on the handful of pros still using Ms, a dying-off brigade of men who used Ms since the 1950s, or amateurs who might have sold most of their equipment to be able afford the camera.* Those are one- time purchasers. The truly rich won't have any idea why they would upgrade from an M9 to the next similar-looking Leica 24x36mm camera (they may not understand how to use the camera at all). And many M8 owners variously feel like unwitting beta testers, feel abused by Leica service, feel lied to by the home office, or are underwhelmed by what the M9 has to offer for an additional $4,500 over what their M8s would fetch. Leica already took the one and only sale with many of these people. That leaves you with the "unwashed masses" who grew up with Canon or Nikon digital. And although some proportion of them will appreciate compact, high-quality, manual focus cameras, they will have no background in M-lore (some will never have even used film) and will expect responsiveness and electronics that bear some resemblance to modern standards. Will the "unwashed masses" tolerate primitive electronics? Narrow dynamic range compared to DSLRs? Ho-hum low light capability other than using monstrously expensive fast prime lenses? A focusing system that cannot compensate for the focus shift of many of those monstrously expensive fast prime lenses? A camera that gets dust inside its viewfinder easily? Bottom-plate loading that mimics some film Leica they never heard of? A "step" in the top plate to recall a low-run obscure press camera of the 1950s? A black paint finish that comes off the brass with little or no provocation? A sibling that is a very sophisticated compact camera designed to ape a Leica from before their parents were born? How would you even explain these anachronisms to an outsider, especially when Leica's historic design ethos has been delivering the highest quality and subordinating form to function? In my view, the best thing to do is to keep the things that really count in M photography - manual focus capability, responsiveness, silence and compactness; discard the nostalgia; and re-construct the M camera as a modern one, not a slavish simulacrum of a film camera designed 60 years ago. Dante P.S. I love the attacks on Live View - what better replacement is there for kludgy accessory finders for wide lenses? Can you imagine how cool it would be to have a grid displayed on the live view? You wouldn't be stuck with accessory finders, crooked pictures, or accessory levels. * I would speculate that most people don't have a lens collection worth enough to justify spending $7K+ on a camera body. And given the pricing of M9s, it's entirely possible that body sales will cannibalize lens sales. ____________ Dante Stella http://www.dantestella.com NO ARCHIVE On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:06 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote: > We'll see if anyone else in the world especially a reviewer > especially a > real reviewer thinks there's a speed issue with the camera. As in the > camrea shoots too slow. Which he goes on and on about. > > I wasn't too offended till I got half way down the page and hit the > " The Major Flaw of the M9" > > He's holding the shutter button down until the thing slow up and stops > shooting at 2 frames per second and that takes seven or eight > exposures. > " Inexcusable" he says > !?!?! > > And he insists on shooting "compressed RAW + fine JPG" . > Gotta have both. > It's gotta be compressed > And he's gotta go on and on about it. > > The last time I held the shutter button down like that on even a > DSLR was > never. > And I've shot skate boarders. > > But not Golf swing studies. > > There's a difference between camera bloggers and cameras reviewers. > And I'd think the digitaljournalist people would know that. > . > > > Mark William Rabiner > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information