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Subject: [Leica] A Correction Inre Noise in - Re: 2010 BOATING PESO - A Knife-Edge Horizon
From: r.s.taylor at comcast.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:38:26 -0400
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George - Well, I gave myself a big dope-slap on the way into work this 
morning.  Sorry to send you off on a wild goose chase.  :-)

Regards, 

Dick



On Aug 10, 2010, at 10:28 AM, George Lottermoser wrote:

> Thanks for the reevaluation Dick.
> Clears my aging mind.
> 
> You had me questioning my eye for digital artifacts
> whether simple noise, chromatic aberrations
> or other digi-things exaggerated by over sharpening,
> enhancing contrast, etc.
> 
> I went out on an unsuccessful search re: "atmospheric refraction"
> to find anything remotely resembling what I saw in the photo.
> 
> Regards,
> George Lottermoser 
> george at imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com/blog
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 10, 2010, at 8:43 AM, Richard Taylor wrote:
> 
>> George - I spoke too quickly yesterday.  You are right, the grain is 
>> good, old-fashioned, detector noise.  There are refraction effects in 
>> this picture, you can see it in the slightly wavy lines of the distant 
>> buildings and boats, but that is not the cause of that grain.  
>> 
>> It's as bad as it is because I built contrast significantly to make the 
>> picture more interesting.  That really aggravated the quite-low ISO 400 
>> noise in the D300.  The original image is so flat it looks like blue 
>> ghost on an aluminum sheet.  
>> 
>> I'll go back to this later today and see if I can improve it. 
>> 
>> Thanks for calling it to my attention.   
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> 
>> Dick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 09, 2010, at 2:43 PM, George Lottermoser wrote:
>> 
>>> Really?
>>> I've never seen this uniform pattern before.
>>> Amazing
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> George Lottermoser 
>>> george at imagist.com
>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2010, at 1:19 PM, Richard Taylor wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The "noise" is atmospheric refraction.  Can't do much about that.  
>>>> 
>>>> Regards, 
>>>> 
>>>> Dick
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 09, 2010, at 2:04 PM, George Lottermoser wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I find the "weight" of the water and POV 
>>>>> very compelling (in the tiny image).
>>>>> 
>>>>> and the "noise" extremely unpleasant
>>>>> and totally destroying the effects mentioned above
>>>>> when viewing the larger image
>>>>> 
>>>>> which I don't understand.
>>>>> I thought the d300 held the noiseless record to date.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> George Lottermoser 
>>>>> george at imagist.com
>>>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Richard Taylor wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Last Saturday we had one of our rare super visibility days on the 
>>>>>> water and a knife-edge horizon.   Usually, distant views show 
>>>>>> vertical smearing due to refraction. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The was taken on Vineyard Sound from a point just off Woods Hole.  
>>>>>> The boats are at the entrance to Vineyard Haven on Martha's Vineyard. 
>>>>>>  East Chop is the point of land to the left; West Chop the one to the 
>>>>>> right.  This a 100% crop with the 70-200 zoom at 200 mm from about 
>>>>>> 3.6 nautical miles off West Chop. The horizon is about 2 miles away 
>>>>>> from our position.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The scene was very low contrast and the autofocus on the D300 had a 
>>>>>> hard time locking up.  Manual focus wasn't much better since the lens 
>>>>>> has no infinity stop.  Only two shots out of ten were properly 
>>>>>> focused.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rtaylor/PICKS/2010_boating/300_8509.jpg.html
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2ctkot6
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> C&C always welcome.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dick
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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