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Subject: [Leica] a shot in the dark - life at iso 25600
From: richard at imagecraft.com (Richard Man)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:13:17 -0700
References: <AANLkTimBU03P_PSQ0Nm0jeh9sDkV+B47K2pYEvdP47R8@mail.gmail.com> <C893368D.1FED%mark@rabinergroup.com>

I agree we will all be shooting at ISO 128K at some points. For Leica
shooters? I don't know, may be in 5 - 10 years. Canonites and Nikonites are
doing them now, but Leica has different priorities.

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
wrote:

> I think the issue is with both the Nikon D3 and the Leica M9 camera bodies
> is that they are not stuck in time but going to progress and soon as
> sensors
> progress which they do every day. The iso ranges on both cameras are going
> nowhere but up and soon as will every other parameter of image quality. As
> will our abilities to process the images they've made in the past which had
> noise issues. So both hardware and software progress as is out abilities to
> use them. We are more on top of it.
> Sensor development has not reached an impasse or plateau. It is furiously
> on
> the upswing.
>
> The idea that we don't need higher ISO's is a bit daft.
> We are going to get them and we are going to use them. Gratefully.
> With better sensors come better cameras. And with that come better
> photographs made by better photographers.
>
> And the issue is certainly not when we need to call these cameras a D4 or
> M10. They can use fractions and hyphens and letters instead of big fat
> round
> numbers.
> Every day in every way we are getting better and better.
> The time to get a new camera body is never now. Its next year.
> The problem is when are you going to want to take a picture?
>
>
> --------------------
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photography
> mark at rabinergroup.com
>
>
> > From: Richard Man <richard at imagecraft.com>
> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:49:45 -0700
> > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] a shot in the dark - life at iso 25600
> >
> > Mark (well actually to everyone else since you do not read my posts),
> > everything is a trade off, because if not, well, then you will have a D3
> > that shoots at ISO128K or a D3X that shoots at 24 megapixels.  Right now,
> > Nikon is in a bind to improve on either body.
> >
> > The question isn't whether everyone will be shooting at ISO128K *at some
> > points*, but what do Leica users want, or need from Leica and what can
> Leica
> > *reasonably* made in response to the market pull given their current
> > operating strategy and marketing conditions.
> >
> > And the answer will probably not include ISO128K in the next digital M.
> > Probably very usable ISO1600 and usable 3200.
>
>
>
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