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Subject: [Leica] TSA publishes poster depicting photographers as terrorists
From: jnelon at netvigator.com (James R. Nelon)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 10:30:26 -0400
References: <AANLkTi=b5pVYS2JTau5Xq=HKq8qHfB0ncEfOdvTxPfHz@mail.gmail.com> <C8ADEF5E.3112%mark@rabinergroup.com>

I'm going to the UK (London) next week on business, but I plan to take at
least two extra days to update my London photo portfolio. Are there any
restrictions on shooting in London? I'll have two R8/DMR's around my neck.

Jim Nelon

-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+jnelon=netvigator.com at leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+jnelon=netvigator.com at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of 
Mark
Rabiner
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 1:57 AM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] TSA publishes poster depicting photographers as
terrorists

I was stopped 4 days ago by a large security guard on 72nd and Madison.
"I'm sorry no photography" he said I had just been shooting the spires at
the very top of the building lit by the setting sun as I walked by.
"I'm sorry you're sorry but I'm photographing anything I feel like if its
not a military base" I said. "including you - is this a military base?"
"That's top secret information" he said (really!) I kept walking and As I
passed another guy with the same polo shirt who also had been watching this
unfold he mumbles something at me maybe menacing but I really couldn't hear
him and I asked as I kept walking "are you threatening me?" and he says no.
I got the vibe he thought the other security guy was an idiot.
They then watched me walk into Central Park with my cameras swinging beside
me.
I'll post one of the pictures they came out real great. Great light. Great
architecture.
I think they just get bored and have nothing better to do but harass people.
I'm sure I'd do the same if I had the job.
"just stand outside this building all day".

He had said it was a "government building" come to think of it.
We need to not have our tails between our legs. Stops them from wagging.

Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the
press ....
First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

If its a military base or a US bank (inside) you can't shoot.
Anyplace else you can. Don't let them tell you otherwise.
We are the good guys.
That's specific to the US of A but not that far from most other places.
Except of course, France. Where you own the light which bounces off your
face or house.

--------------------
Mark William Rabiner
Photography
mark at rabinergroup.com


> From: Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 07:13:21 +1000
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] TSA publishes poster depicting photographers as 
> terrorists
> 
> That's already happening over here, Mark. I've been stopped and 
> prevented from taking more photos when I stopped for a few seconds and 
> shot some clouds from a railway station walkway. Other photographers 
> have been physically restrained.  As far as I know there's no record 
> of any terrorists actually using a camera prior to their attacks on 
> innocents. I think that the only EVIL photographers are the ones with 
> Panasonic and Olympus compacts
> ;-)
> 
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> 



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