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Subject: [Leica] TSA publishes poster depicting photographers as terrorists
From: Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 19:36:31 +0100
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Hi Jim,
It is a while since I was taking pictures in London, but I go most places in 
the UK with a camera and have had no trouble yet.
cheers,
Frank

On 9 Sep, 2010, at 15:30, James R. Nelon wrote:

> I'm going to the UK (London) next week on business, but I plan to take at
> least two extra days to update my London photo portfolio. Are there any
> restrictions on shooting in London? I'll have two R8/DMR's around my neck.
> 
> Jim Nelon
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+jnelon=netvigator.com at leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+jnelon=netvigator.com at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of 
> Mark
> Rabiner
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 1:57 AM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] TSA publishes poster depicting photographers as
> terrorists
> 
> I was stopped 4 days ago by a large security guard on 72nd and Madison.
> "I'm sorry no photography" he said I had just been shooting the spires at
> the very top of the building lit by the setting sun as I walked by.
> "I'm sorry you're sorry but I'm photographing anything I feel like if its
> not a military base" I said. "including you - is this a military base?"
> "That's top secret information" he said (really!) I kept walking and As I
> passed another guy with the same polo shirt who also had been watching this
> unfold he mumbles something at me maybe menacing but I really couldn't hear
> him and I asked as I kept walking "are you threatening me?" and he says no.
> I got the vibe he thought the other security guy was an idiot.
> They then watched me walk into Central Park with my cameras swinging beside
> me.
> I'll post one of the pictures they came out real great. Great light. Great
> architecture.
> I think they just get bored and have nothing better to do but harass 
> people.
> I'm sure I'd do the same if I had the job.
> "just stand outside this building all day".
> 
> He had said it was a "government building" come to think of it.
> We need to not have our tails between our legs. Stops them from wagging.
> 
> Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the
> press ....
> First Amendment to the United States Constitution.
> 
> If its a military base or a US bank (inside) you can't shoot.
> Anyplace else you can. Don't let them tell you otherwise.
> We are the good guys.
> That's specific to the US of A but not that far from most other places.
> Except of course, France. Where you own the light which bounces off your
> face or house.
> 
> --------------------
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photography
> mark at rabinergroup.com
> 
> 
>> From: Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 07:13:21 +1000
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] TSA publishes poster depicting photographers as 
>> terrorists
>> 
>> That's already happening over here, Mark. I've been stopped and 
>> prevented from taking more photos when I stopped for a few seconds and 
>> shot some clouds from a railway station walkway. Other photographers 
>> have been physically restrained.  As far as I know there's no record 
>> of any terrorists actually using a camera prior to their attacks on 
>> innocents. I think that the only EVIL photographers are the ones with 
>> Panasonic and Olympus compacts
>> ;-)
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Geoff
>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>> 
> 
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