Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/02/11
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Now I am shocked. I have not found the difference between a Panasonic GH1 and a Nikon D3x as big a step as 35mm to Rolleiflex myself. In fact at base iso I don't see as big a difference between my Canon G10 and Nikon D3x as between 35mm and 120... FD ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> Sent: Friday, 11 February, 2011 17:45:04 Subject: Re: [Leica] More new Fuji X100 info And I can state from my own direct personal experience over the past 112 days that the difference between a 1.5 crop and 1X crop camera is not a subtle matter of a few millimeters in any direction. The difference is dramatic. And more dramatic than when I went from in the mid to late 70's from a decade of nikon use to using a Rolleiflex; then Hasselblad. -------------------- Mark William Rabiner > From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:36:47 -0500 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Conversation: [Leica] More new Fuji X100 info > Subject: Re: [Leica] More new Fuji X100 info > > Well Frank !the entire photographic community and industry is pretty much > in > on it as well. Most pro's wound not be caught dead with a cropped camera > this > is not a big secret and not my particular quirky opinion. > You've said in the past format does not matter in digital as it does in > film > but I think on that opinion you are out standing alone in the field as we > frankly save for our 40 to 60 thousand dollar medium format digital > systems or > top of the line full frame systems. > Full frame cameras are marketed as pro cameras and cropped camera are > marketed > as amateur lines. This quirky fact is becoming quite known by every shulb > putting in hours behind a camera counter and every dad coming into the > store > to get a camera to get his kids opening their holiday presents. > While in the old days a lumbering Nikon F2 with motor drive weighting 5 > pounds > used the same film as a Barnack IIIA the format was always the same and the > results could be the same as you viewed a 16x20 end result; 24x36mm's was > the > format so one did not have to pay much attention. If you wanted a compact > camera your end result really was not going to necessarily suffer, > Now smaller cameras can have larger formats. > Nowadays the issue is clouded my megapixels and you do have to pay > attention.. > MP's. A credit card camera can have more than your point and shoot or full > sized older DSLR. > -------------------- > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > mark at rabinergroup.com > Cars: http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb > > > > >> From: Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 08:35:04 +0000 >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] More new Fuji X100 info >> >> Well Mark I have read this opinion many hundreds of times in the last few >> years. >> >> But every time it was you who wrote it ;-) >> >> FD >> >> On 10 Feb, 2011, at 19:24, Mark Rabiner wrote: >> >>> The value perception of cropped camera systems is going to plummet >>> solidly >>> in a very few years if not sooner. If you want a return on your >>> investment >>> you might not get it like you'd expect to with much gear you get now. >>> If you got an M8 which you can get now I think for quite cheap despite >>> all >>> the problems involved with it all the glass you accumulated for that >>> camera >>> would then be usable on the M9 or any full frame camera Leica comes up >>> with. >>> I'd go that route then. >>> I'm not seeing teachers in schools telling their students to get a Fuji >>> X100. They'd be telling them to invest in a system which can be upgraded >>> seriously. The Fuji X100 for its existence (I give it four years) will >>> be a >>> play toy for people with available cash who like to buy and sell photo >>> gear. >>> It won't be used much by people taking a potentially serious interest in >>> street or any other kind of photography. Its a here today gone tomorrow >>> special. Yes very retro. The lack of distance scales on the lenses could >>> be >>> thought of as a dead give away. As is looking at examples of 4000 across >>> pixel images which measure 2 inches across your computer monitor and >>> cant be >>> viewed larger. >>> It's an emperors new clothes camera system. We all know deep inside its >>> a >>> waste of our time and resources. Its not about photography It's about >>> playing with new toys. >>> >>> When we started out decades back with an M2 or a Nikkormat the film it >>> shot >>> was still 36mm's across just like all the big boy cameras and all the >>> glass >>> we got could be used on our later big boy bodies. >>> Its good to have later bodies in mind. >>> >>> -------------------- >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> Photography >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information