Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/03/20
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Michiel, You are right, the digital is "comfortable" to use, but if I consider the time to convert to B&W and achieve the results I want, I spend less time on film than on digital (including scanning time), yes film don't requires invest on the latest technology!, I think I've never tried Kodak Portra, I want try it, but on this case you are talking about color film. Thanks, cheers Lluis El 19/03/2011, a las 21:23, Michiel Fokkema escribi?: > I totally agree with you Lluis. > For me film just looks much better. It also has much more dynamic > range. > I always felt it is very strange to use software to make digital > files look like film. Just use the original thing and your done > right away. That's what I call KISS. > The new Kodak Portra makes it even better. Best film ever made and > the good thing is I dont have to buy a new camera to use the latest > film technology. > > Cheers, > > Michiel Fokkema > > On 8-3-2011 17:10, Lluis Ripoll wrote: >> Hi Ted and Nathan, mes amis >> >> Maybe I was too enthousiast saying "film is better" instead of "I >> like >> better B&W on film". IMO there are two things that film gives >> better than >> digital, at least for my experience. The blacks are more deepth, >> more dense, >> no noise in the shadows or lower light areas, the higlights are not >> blocked. >> Maybe I don't have enough skills on digital, but I'm much more fast >> editing >> at PS a B&W picture from film than converting it from digital color >> to B&W. >> >> It was a while I've not used film, after 2 or 3 months I'm using >> Silver Efex >> Pro, yes this is fine and I can get better results and approach >> much better >> the film, but in general I find that film give me better results >> according >> to my preferences. >> >> You say that actually you think in color, and this is arriving to >> me too, >> digital color is so nice and immediate that it becomes difficult >> think on >> B&W or maybe do a conversion that it satisfy you better than the >> color >> version. Probably this is too influenced by a psichological >> "effect", you >> immediately see a color digital picture and can do also immediately >> the >> conversion; with film this arrives after some hours or days and you >> have >> already forgett the natural colors of the scene, than when you >> scann and >> see, I say "oh! is beautiful!". >> >> I hope I have give a response to your questions, maybe wrong..., but >> according to my experience and skills on digital. I don't know if >> the sensor >> of a M9 is better corrected for the things I've commented. I think >> that it >> should be a special firmware or sensor to do directly B&W... I >> don't think >> that B&W could be defined as simply "substract the color", the >> original >> invention was different. >> >> This is my opinion....., my 2 cents ... >> >> I don't think I can write today more comments about this subject, >> now I'm on >> the office and I go to the Opera House in one hour. >> >> Thanks for your questions! >> >> cheers >> Lluis >> >> >> >> 2011/3/8<tedgrant at shaw.ca> >> >>> Lluis Ripoll said: >>> >>>> M7, Elmarit 28mm Asph, Plus X..... Film is better!<<<< >>>>>> >>>>> >>> Nathan Offered: >>> >>>>> Very nice, Lluis, especially the 2nd and last one. I don't know >>>>> if film >>>>>> is better, it is just different.<<<< >>>>> >>>> >>> Hi both, :-) >>> >>> Lluis and Nathan a couple of questions? >>> >>> 1/ Why do you say "Film is better?" >>> >>> 2/ "Where do you think film is better?" >>> >>> Since I became "Hooked on digital," it has never occurred to me to >>> ever go >>> back to film..... "OF ANY KIND!" Or even think about it. And don't >>> miss it >>> for one milli-second! >>> >>> I shoot nothing but digital with various cameras and I still >>> expose the >>> neat things I did with film. Actually, I think in colour "digital >>> colour is >>> immediate, result is right there in a moment!" No need to or >>> rarely need to >>> bracket frame after frame as we did with film. Nor do I have to >>> take it to >>> the lab, wait for the developing a couple of hours? Days? Weeks? >>> Depending >>> which film I was using? >>> >>> And as I understand from Tina and others, today there is software? >>> I think >>> that's what it is? You can make digital images look like they were >>> shot on >>> film. But being me, my response is always "WHY? AND WHO CARES?" >>> Certainly if >>> the content is a smashing great content! After all isn't it the >>> content that >>> matters most and not whether the image looks like Tri-x, >>> Kodachrome or >>> whatever?Just a couple of early morning thoughts and questions. >>> cheers, >>> ted >>> >>> ================================================ >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman"<photo at >>> frozenlight.eu >>> > >>> To: "Leica Users Group"<lug at leica-users.org> >>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:02 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The MACBA& El Raval >>> >>> >>> Very nice, Lluis, especially the 2nd and last one. I don't know >>> if film is >>>> better, it is just different. >>>> >>>> Saludos, >>>> Nathan >>>> >>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>> Alicante, Spain >>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com >>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >>>> >>>> YNWA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 5, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Lluis Ripoll wrote: >>>> >>>> The MACBA is the Museum of art contemporary in Barcelona >>>>> >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020228w.jpg.html >>>>> >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020227w.jpg.html >>>>> >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020216w.jpg.html >>>>> >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020210w.jpg.html >>>>> >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020208w.jpg.html >>>>> >>>>> M7, Elmarit 28mm Asph, Plus X..... Film is better! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for looking, your c&c are welcome >>>>> >>>>> Saludos >>>>> Lluis >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/ >>>>> http://photo.net/photos/lluisripoll >>>>> Blog: >>>>> http://lluisripollphotography.wordpress.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>> information >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>> information >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > -- > ------------------------------------------- > Michiel Fokkema > www.michielfokkema.com > +31 (0) 615569576 > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information