Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/05/04
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]The 2-1/4 sq. or 6x6cm format certainly deserves to be thought of much more as the Rolleiflex format than Hasselblad format, a relative newcomer to the Brownie film game. -------------------- Mark William Rabiner > From: "Henning J. Wulff" <henningw at archiphoto.com> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 14:13:22 -0700 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] 100 year anniversary of 120 film (Care & feeding of > '29 > Original) > > 2-1/4 sq. Same film size as 120 and 620, but > smaller diameter spool flanges (made possible by > shorter roll). > > >> http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Original_Rolleiflex_6x6 >> Here is says 117 film got 6 frames on a roll but not mention of what the >> format is.... That I could see. >> >> >> -------------------- >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> mark at rabinergroup.com >> Cars: http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb >> >> >> >> >>> From: Richard Man <richard at imagecraft.com> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 12:40:08 -0700 >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] 100 year anniversary of 120 film (Care & feeding of >>> '29 >>> Original) >>> >>> I'm in! >>> >>> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:33 AM, Slobodan Dimitrov >>> <s.dimitrov at charter.net>wrote: >>> >>>> I just found out that next year, 2012, 120 film will be 100 years old. >>>> Anyone willing to do a celebratory project to commemorate the >>>> milestone? >>>> S.d. >>>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>>> From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza at yahoo.com.ar> >>>>> Date: May 4, 2011 1:53:25 AM PDT >>>>> To: rolleiusers at yahoogroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [rolleiusers] Re: Care & feeding of '29 Original >>>>> Reply-To: rolleiusers at yahoogroups.com >>>>> >>>>> Kirk: >>>>> 120 film was available from 1912 and the Rolleiflex was designed in >>>>> 1928, >>>> it could be made to use 120 film but Heidecke wanted to keep the >>>> camera as >>>> compact and small as posssible and then he chose the 117 film (B1-6). >>>> The >>>> Rolleiflex was a market successs and hardly the firsts users got it >>>> they >>>> asked the factory about to adapt it to use longer film; F&H found a >>>> way to >>>> retrofit the camera for 620 film spools use with 12 frames. >>>>> >>>>> According the explanation in Claus Prochnow's Report 1, the 620 spools >>>> larger flanges made contact with the upper spool chamber and then it >>>> had >>>> to >>>> be enlarged accordingly, the lower spool was housed in a cage and >>>> projected >>>> slightly and then the camera back received two spherical cuts. The >>>> camera >>>> exterior was kept original without changes. >>>>> >>>>> The camera could also be adapted for 120 film at factory, but it >>>>> required >>>> major changes with modifications even for the camera exterior (i.e. a >>>> additional spool knob and a new wider transport knob with a groove) and >>>> the >>>> changes for the camera inside were significant too. >>>>> While the adaptation for 620 film looks pretty simple for a technician >>>> wanting to do the task, the adaptation for 120 film looks more complex >>>> requiring special parts, 120 spools had slight variants at the time and >>>> the >>>> adaptation needed to consider these variants. >>>>> >>>>> It was from January 1932 with the first Rolleiflex Standard model that >>>> the Rolleiflex cameras were made to use 120 film from factory. The 117 >>>> film >>>> was discontinued in 1949, F&H decision to adopt the 120 film size had >>>> nothing to do with the 117 film availability, the Rolleiflex users >>>> wanted >>>> a >>>> longer film. >>>>> >>>>> Carlos >>>>> >>>>> PS:If you have the 620 spools, it's pretty easy to respool 120 film, >>>>> the >>>> only difference 120-620 is the spool, film size is the same. >>>>> >>>>> --- El mi? 4-may-11, Kirk Thompson <thompsonkirk at hotmail.com> >>>>> escribi?: >>>>> >>>>>> De: Kirk Thompson <thompsonkirk at hotmail.com> >>>>>> Asunto: [rolleiusers] Re: Care & feeding of '29 Original >>>>>> Para: rolleiusers at yahoogroups.com >>>>>> Fecha: mi?rcoles, 4 de mayo de 2011, 1:03 >>>>>> Thanks, Richard, for having a go at >>>>>> it, but unfortunately those aren't solutions (if there are >>>>>> any). >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. No way 120, it's too fat. The early Rolleis used 117 >>>>>> film. Phillips explains that in 1929 it was the only >>>>>> size that had the frame numbers printed in the right place >>>>>> on the backing paper. 117 was 6 cm wide but had a thin >>>>>> spindle (making a thinner roll), small flanges, and >>>>>> different holes in the ends of the spools. >>>>>> >>>>>> When 117 was discontinued, many of the original Rolleis >>>>>> were converted to 620 film (which is still available from >>>>>> B&H). 620 has a skinny spindle and small flanges like >>>>>> 117, but it required a modification of the cameras: a >>>>>> different-sized left bump and right key to engage the >>>>>> take-up spool. These are the conversion parts I have some >>>>>> small hope of finding, if anyone knows of an old Rollei >>>>>> burial site where such things can be found. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Years of experience have proved that klutzes like me do >>>>>> not work on their own cameras. So I still want to know if >>>>>> there's a classic camera repairman who retains old parts and >>>>>> skills. (Fleenor and Krikor don't work on these.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Kirk >>>>> >>>>> __._,_.___ >>>>> Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New >>>>> Topic >>>>> Messages in this topic (5) >>>>> RECENT ACTIVITY: >>>>> Visit Your Group >>>>> MARKETPLACE >>>>> Find useful articles and helpful tips on living with Fibromyalgia. >>>>> Visit >>>> the Fibromyalgia Zone today! >>>>> >>>>> Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on >>>>> - >>>> Get the Yahoo! 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