Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/05/06
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]OK. I think I have an antique 120 somewhere. Peter On 04/05/2011 20:40, Richard Man wrote: > I'm in! > > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:33 AM, Slobodan Dimitrov <s.dimitrov at > charter.net>wrote: > >> I just found out that next year, 2012, 120 film will be 100 years old. >> Anyone willing to do a celebratory project to commemorate the milestone? >> S.d. >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza at yahoo.com.ar> >>> Date: May 4, 2011 1:53:25 AM PDT >>> To: rolleiusers at yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: Re: [rolleiusers] Re: Care & feeding of '29 Original >>> Reply-To: rolleiusers at yahoogroups.com >>> >>> Kirk: >>> 120 film was available from 1912 and the Rolleiflex was designed in 1928, >> it could be made to use 120 film but Heidecke wanted to keep the camera as >> compact and small as posssible and then he chose the 117 film (B1-6). The >> Rolleiflex was a market successs and hardly the firsts users got it they >> asked the factory about to adapt it to use longer film; F&H found a way to >> retrofit the camera for 620 film spools use with 12 frames. >>> >>> According the explanation in Claus Prochnow's Report 1, the 620 spools >> larger flanges made contact with the upper spool chamber and then it had >> to >> be enlarged accordingly, the lower spool was housed in a cage and >> projected >> slightly and then the camera back received two spherical cuts. The camera >> exterior was kept original without changes. >>> >>> The camera could also be adapted for 120 film at factory, but it required >> major changes with modifications even for the camera exterior (i.e. a >> additional spool knob and a new wider transport knob with a groove) and >> the >> changes for the camera inside were significant too. >>> While the adaptation for 620 film looks pretty simple for a technician >> wanting to do the task, the adaptation for 120 film looks more complex >> requiring special parts, 120 spools had slight variants at the time and >> the >> adaptation needed to consider these variants. >>> >>> It was from January 1932 with the first Rolleiflex Standard model that >> the Rolleiflex cameras were made to use 120 film from factory. The 117 >> film >> was discontinued in 1949, F&H decision to adopt the 120 film size had >> nothing to do with the 117 film availability, the Rolleiflex users wanted >> a >> longer film. >>> >>> Carlos >>> >>> PS:If you have the 620 spools, it's pretty easy to respool 120 film, the >> only difference 120-620 is the spool, film size is the same. >>> >>> --- El mi? 4-may-11, Kirk Thompson <thompsonkirk at hotmail.com> >>> escribi?: >>> >>>> De: Kirk Thompson <thompsonkirk at hotmail.com> >>>> Asunto: [rolleiusers] Re: Care & feeding of '29 Original >>>> Para: rolleiusers at yahoogroups.com >>>> Fecha: mi?rcoles, 4 de mayo de 2011, 1:03 >>>> Thanks, Richard, for having a go at >>>> it, but unfortunately those aren't solutions (if there are >>>> any). >>>> >>>> 1. No way 120, it's too fat. The early Rolleis used 117 >>>> film. Phillips explains that in 1929 it was the only >>>> size that had the frame numbers printed in the right place >>>> on the backing paper. 117 was 6 cm wide but had a thin >>>> spindle (making a thinner roll), small flanges, and >>>> different holes in the ends of the spools. >>>> >>>> When 117 was discontinued, many of the original Rolleis >>>> were converted to 620 film (which is still available from >>>> B&H). 620 has a skinny spindle and small flanges like >>>> 117, but it required a modification of the cameras: a >>>> different-sized left bump and right key to engage the >>>> take-up spool. These are the conversion parts I have some >>>> small hope of finding, if anyone knows of an old Rollei >>>> burial site where such things can be found. >>>> >>>> 2. Years of experience have proved that klutzes like me do >>>> not work on their own cameras. So I still want to know if >>>> there's a classic camera repairman who retains old parts and >>>> skills. (Fleenor and Krikor don't work on these.) >>>> >>>> Kirk >>> >>> __._,_.___ >>> Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic >>> Messages in this topic (5) >>> RECENT ACTIVITY: >>> Visit Your Group >>> MARKETPLACE >>> Find useful articles and helpful tips on living with Fibromyalgia. Visit >> the Fibromyalgia Zone today! >>> >>> Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - >> Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. >>> >>> Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use >>> . >>> >>> __,_._,___ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > > -- =========================================================== Dr Peter Dzwig