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Subject: [Leica] Fuji X-Pro1 - Jim
From: raimo.m.korhonen at uusikaupunki.fi (Raimo K)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:07:04 +0200
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Well, university education is free in Finland (like all other education as 
well).
The Americans may call it socialism (but it isn't), we call it equal 
opportunities.
In the future we may have to charge tuition fees from students outside the 
EU, though.
All the best!
Raimo K


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Henning Wulff
To: Leica Users Group
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Fuji X-Pro1 - Jim


It's nearly as bad here in Canada. Tuition fees rise well beyond any concept 
of inflation. Meanwhile our education minister goes off to China to promote 
Canada as a place to come and get educated (for a price).

Meanwhile, in the public schools....
We've just legislation from our provincial government denying the teachers 
any pay increases for the next while and at the same time retroactively 
taking away a number of hard won limits on class sizes, help for teachers 
with special needs students and other advances achieved in the last ten 
years. The legislation specifically states this 10 year retroactive roll 
back.

Our premier meanwhile sends her son off to private school. She can afford 
it, as the pay raises for all the legislature has been substantially above 
the rate of inflation, and about as drastic as the increase in university 
fees.


On 2012-03-21, at 2:05 PM, scleroplex wrote:

> exactly!!
>
> everyone is talking about the rise in healthcare costs.
> no one is comparing the rate of rise of higher education costs.
> it is 6 times that of health care!
>
> all the universities are raking it in and putting up flashy buildings with
> gay abandon.
> and no one is even looking at abuse of HEFA loans, which is as big a
> scandal as mortgage loans if not bigger.
>
> university boards are packed with real estate developers who get HEFA 
> loans
> from the government and spend the money on construction projects.
>
> a good percentage of the loans are also invested in the capital markets by
> university endowment funds and multiplied.
> essentially rolling cheap tax money.
> when there is a profit, the university keeps it.
> when there is a loss, it is a public write-off.
>
> nowadays whenever i see students and their parents touring the 
> universities
> here in boston,
> i only think, here are the next lot of mugs!
> these are the people who are deliberately left in huge debt,
> which they then concentrate on paying off the next 30 years,
> with no time for the policing of democracy at the local or national level.
>
> bharani
>
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 09:07:49 +0530
> From: Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Fuji X-Pro1 - Jim
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
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>
> It is still considered a part of the parent's duty to fully educate their
> offspring here in India (I am talking lower middle class and above here).
> Of course, there is some self preservation involved, as it is still
> considered a part of the offspring's duty to look after the parents in
> their old age. My parents in law have always stayed with me, and my 
> parents
> with my brother - and they have done so for the past 20-25 years. The old
> joint family systems have not noticeably broken down as yet, though in
> urban India it is starting to happen.
>
> As far as the USA is concerned, it is my considered view that the only
> bubble that has not collapsed yet is in education - both in terms of
> affordability, and the sheer weight of student loan debt that has no 
> chance
> of being repaid.
>
> Cheers
> Jayanand
>
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Henning Wulff
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