Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/03/30
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I had in mind just a little bit another Zeiss post by somebody else and of course not yours nor claiming to have any opinion on your private financial doings which I would not claim any insight into. I didn't really even read your post about having to sell something for money for some reason or another. I don't read all the posts on the lug not get involved in all issues. -- Mark Rabiner http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > From: Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 22:42:09 -0400 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Zeiss vs Leica, was Fwd: 60mm Macro on Fuji X Pro 1 > > Mark, you're still harping on this Zeiss thing? Which you felt the need to > spew in response to me trying to sell my ZM Sonnar? I didn't need your > damned commentary. I'm selling that lens because I NEED THE MONEY. My > offering it for sale wasn't done to commit some fraud, contrary to your > ignorant little fantasy. You don't like the ZM lenses? Don't f--king buy > one. Otherwise, as the King of Spain said to Hugo Chavez: "?Por que no te > callas?" (why don't you shut up?). > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-437-8990 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 > Become a fan on Facebook > > > > > On 3/30/12 10:27 PM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > >> People would like to think they can spend chump change on a consumer >> product >> which will save them 6 grand on the price of an M9. That's what happens in >> the Twilight Zone. Not on planet real earth life where mainly about >> getting what you pay for. There is no free lunch. A Chevy is not a >> Mercedes. >> Both are cars. Both have four wheels. After that the similarities are few. >> >> And when a premium lens company in Germany hires a Japanese film to make a >> line of consumer priced lenses using cheaper materials and production >> techniques the product is not "just as good" as their own product costing >> thousands not hundreds made back in Germany. There's just no way in the >> real >> world a thing like this is going to happen. Not by luck. Not by fate. Not >> by >> a hole in the time warp. Not by a close out sale at Wal-Mart. You want >> Zeiss? Pay for it. And I can recommend it. As I can recommend Leica. >> >> -- >> Mark Rabiner >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ >> >> >>> From: Lottermoser George <imagist3 at mac.com> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:10:25 -0500 >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Fwd: 60mm Macro on Fuji X Pro 1 >>> >>> >>> On Mar 30, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote: >>> >>>> I just wonder how much apologizing I have to do when I doubt a camera >>>> which >>>> cost 1000 usd and is a smaller format than an M9 gets compared to an >>>> M9 as >>>> if its going to be a better camera or something. I have to buy the >>>> camera >>>> first? >>> >>> No need to apologize for "doubting" Mark. >>> I found the "comparison test" simply meaningless. >>> Both examples appeared sub par to my eyes. >>> >>> And I quite agree with you that if I had an M9 >>> I'd have no further need for any "relatively small" digital camera. >>> In fact I feel the same way about my M8. >>> Someone would have to show me something quite "special" >>> to compete with the size, weight and capability of the M8. >>> >>>> I just don't feel like Leica needs to defend itself against cameras >>>> which >>>> were never meant to compete with it in the first place. >>> >>> I quite agree. >>> Though the "photo world" loves to compare any thing that is about the >>> size of >>> an M9 >>> to the M9 - makes for great headlines - "Is camera X, Y or Z the M9 >>> Beater?" >>> >>>> The price reflects materials and production tolerances. >>>> Quality control. >>> >>> True - and again - agreed. >>> >>> Though a Timex does keep time very well; >>> as does my does my 10 year old Motorola flip phone; >>> and my iPad. >>> >>> And my '93 Saturn gets me from point A to point B >>> extremely economically. >>> >>> Regards, >>> George Lottermoser >>> george at imagist.com >>> http://www.imagist.com >>> http://www.imagist.com/blog >>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information