Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/04/11
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]You obviously have vast experience shooting with the recent line of Leica lenses--on your Nikon, or Canon, or whatever it is you shoot? I, on the other hand, have only modest experience, no more than a few thousand images with my M8 and the new 35mm and 75mm Summarit-M's, and those lenses give nothing up compared to their pricier counterparts, except obviously the f-stop. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ YNWA On Apr 11, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote: > The Summarits also pride themselves in no use of any asperical elements. > This keeps the price down a bit and could appeal to the mindset of some who > think asperical elements are evil entities sent to rob them of their > precious bokeh. An idea I've found to not have a trace element of truth. > They also don't have sophisticated internal moments for special close > focusing adjustments. > I find them very un inspiring. I'm a huge fan on how Leica has incorporated > asperical elements into their modern lens designs and would rather buy one > of those used than a new Summarit. Or a used Summarit. I'd rather get an > older Leitz lens from the 80's or 70's. Or 60's or 50's. Or 40's or 30's. > They get cheaper as they go down. > The idea of dummying down from its premium lens line is unusual for Leica. > The way to save money on a Leica lens has been if not to buy used then to > get the slow version of that lens. As each focal length came in a fast, > medium and slow version. The slow version when you look through the camera > is not darker to see through nor does it pop out of focus any father. Its > just lighter, sharper and cheaper. > So its win win win wherever you go. > If you had more bucks you could get the medium priced spread. > And if you were rolling in dough you'd get the 1.4. Or whatever the high > end > f stop was. So you paid extra for a bloated heavy more flare prone optic. > And everybody knew you were a stupid millionaire. > > - - from my iRabs. > Mark Rabiner > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > > >> From: Gene duprey <grduprey at mchsi.com> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 00:44:41 -0500 (CDT) >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9....... >> >> Not cheap, but less costly. They use interchangeble body parts, unlike >> the >> normal model where every lens has specific parts for that lens only. >> This is >> similar to build model that Zeiss uses for their ZM line of lenses, where >> they >> use interchangeble body parts to keep the tooling costs down. >> >> Gene >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Crawford" <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> >> To: "Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>" <lug at leica-users.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:38:38 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >> Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9....... >> >> So, explain the current Summarit lenses? Leica explicitly said they were >> designed to be cheap. >> >> -- >> Chris Crawford >> Fine Art Photography >> Fort Wayne, Indiana >> 260-437-8990 >> >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >> >> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >> >> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 >> Become a fan on Facebook >> >> >> >> On 4/10/12 11:43 PM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >> >>> Yep that's Leica's business model! Designing cheap glass. >>> >>> - - from my iRabs. >>> Mark Rabiner >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ >>> >>> >>>> From: Dante Stella <dstella1 at ameritech.net> >>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:56:39 -0400 >>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Cc: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9....... >>>> >>>> The 28mm Elmarit ASPH is challenged in the corners because it is >>>> designed to >>>> be a cheap (orig $1,600) compact lens, no? >>>> >>>> Dante >>>> >>>> On Apr 10, 2012, at 19:03, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The 28 Elmarit 2.8 ASPH appeared to be designed for the M8 not the >>>>> Summicron - its performance drops in the corners when used wide open >>>>> on a 24x36mm frame as you can see on the MTF chart linked from here: >>>>> http://us.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/lenses/2194.html. The >>>>> 28 Summicron is sharp right out to the corners, and has a very flat >>>>> field. H. Ball Arche, who used to use a 28 a lot and posted here >>>>> prolifically, didn't like the flat field because it made heads in the >>>>> corners of the frame look like footballs - he preferred the C-V 28/1.9 >>>>> which had greater barrel distortion and a less flat field, but less >>>>> apparent distortion of things like heads in the corners. A nice >>>>> display of the compromises optical design includes. >>>>> >>>>> The 35 Summicron ASPH was designed during the film era and in some >>>>> ways doesn't perform as well as the 35 Summilux ASPH II with the >>>>> floating element, but it's still pretty formidable. On the M8 I >>>>> prefer a 28 to a 35, but I think generally I prefer a 28 overall, even >>>>> if it is the Nikkor 28mm f1.4 which is actually a ~31mm lens. After >>>>> Leica revises the 50 Summicron (now the oldest lens in the M line up >>>>> and the only Summicron without aspherical element(s)) the 35 and 90 >>>>> ASPH Summicrons are probably next, because they are the oldest. >>>>> >>>>> Summicron 28 (borrowed, and my, look at that magenta!): >>>>> >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Freakscene_001/L1002579.jpg. >>>>> html >>>>> Nikkor 28: >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Tsukiji/File0825.jpg.html >>>>> >>>>> Marty >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:40 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Where are you coming from Mark? >>>>>> Where has it been said that they are lowering quality?? >>>>>> Where is it said that they designed an M lens for smaller than 24mm x >>>>>> 36mm??? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am on record here in saying how good the 28mm Summicron is..... >>>>>> >>>>>> All I am saying, and this backed up by users on this list, is that a >>>>>> 28mm >>>>>> lens becomes the equivalent of a 35mm on the M8 and that is a more >>>>>> used >>>>>> focal length than 28mm is for FF. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please read (and understand) what is being said rather than making >>>>>> things >>>>>> up. >>>>>> >>>>>> john >>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It strike me as phantasmagorical baloney that Leica lowered its >>>>>> standards on >>>>>> edge quality to make the compact Leica 35mm f/2 SUMMICRON-M ASPH >>>>>> ideal for >>>>>> the M8 making it less ideal for the M9. By the way the lens is now >>>>>> being >>>>>> sold new for just over four grand $. >>>>>> I don't think Leica has ever made a lens for a crop camera and has >>>>>> stated >>>>>> over and over any lens it ever makes will be fully usable on a film M. >>>>>> I don't t think anything is going to get it to settle for less than >>>>>> excellent edge quality for its M glass going straight out to a 43.3mm >>>>>> image >>>>>> crop circle.... >>>>>> The 28 Summicron is a gem and at the top of my list for my next >>>>>> Leica lens. >>>>>> This lowering of quality thing is a LUG myth which I don't think >>>>>> we're going >>>>>> to find documented elsewise. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - - from my iRabs. >>>>>> Mark Rabiner >>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz> >>>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:47:45 +1200 >>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9....... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That is more of an M8 staple rather than the 35mm/50mm of the M9..... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> john >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have seen more 28 Summicron for sale in the last month than last 2 >>>>>>> years. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >