Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/04/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Mark, My only point is that as with the Summarits, some lenses are made to a price/size point, and Leica's monster (and monstrously expensive) lenses seem to be better - even in Leica literature - than the baby lenses. This was actually one I shopped when I bought my M8. I should have also made it clear that I was not adopting the view that it was a bad lens. In fact, by Leica's numbers, it's quite good. I ultimately decided to stick with my 35/1.4 ASPH, though. Dante On Apr 10, 2012, at 11:43 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote: > Yep that's Leica's business model! Designing cheap glass. > > - - from my iRabs. > Mark Rabiner > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > > >> From: Dante Stella <dstella1 at ameritech.net> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:56:39 -0400 >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Cc: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9....... >> >> The 28mm Elmarit ASPH is challenged in the corners because it is designed >> to >> be a cheap (orig $1,600) compact lens, no? >> >> Dante >> >> On Apr 10, 2012, at 19:03, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The 28 Elmarit 2.8 ASPH appeared to be designed for the M8 not the >>> Summicron - its performance drops in the corners when used wide open >>> on a 24x36mm frame as you can see on the MTF chart linked from here: >>> http://us.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/lenses/2194.html. The >>> 28 Summicron is sharp right out to the corners, and has a very flat >>> field. H. Ball Arche, who used to use a 28 a lot and posted here >>> prolifically, didn't like the flat field because it made heads in the >>> corners of the frame look like footballs - he preferred the C-V 28/1.9 >>> which had greater barrel distortion and a less flat field, but less >>> apparent distortion of things like heads in the corners. A nice >>> display of the compromises optical design includes. >>> >>> The 35 Summicron ASPH was designed during the film era and in some >>> ways doesn't perform as well as the 35 Summilux ASPH II with the >>> floating element, but it's still pretty formidable. On the M8 I >>> prefer a 28 to a 35, but I think generally I prefer a 28 overall, even >>> if it is the Nikkor 28mm f1.4 which is actually a ~31mm lens. After >>> Leica revises the 50 Summicron (now the oldest lens in the M line up >>> and the only Summicron without aspherical element(s)) the 35 and 90 >>> ASPH Summicrons are probably next, because they are the oldest. >>> >>> Summicron 28 (borrowed, and my, look at that magenta!): >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Freakscene_001/L1002579.jpg.html >>> Nikkor 28: >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Tsukiji/File0825.jpg.html >>> >>> Marty >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:40 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> >>> wrote: >>>> Where are you coming from Mark? >>>> Where has it been said that they are lowering quality?? >>>> Where is it said that they designed an M lens for smaller than 24mm x >>>> 36mm??? >>>> >>>> I am on record here in saying how good the 28mm Summicron is..... >>>> >>>> All I am saying, and this backed up by users on this list, is that a >>>> 28mm >>>> lens becomes the equivalent of a 35mm on the M8 and that is a more used >>>> focal length than 28mm is for FF. >>>> >>>> Please read (and understand) what is being said rather than making >>>> things >>>> up. >>>> >>>> john >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> It strike me as phantasmagorical baloney that Leica lowered its >>>> standards on >>>> edge quality to make the compact Leica 35mm f/2 SUMMICRON-M ASPH ideal >>>> for >>>> the M8 making it less ideal for the M9. By the way the lens is now being >>>> sold new for just over four grand $. >>>> I don't think Leica has ever made a lens for a crop camera and has >>>> stated >>>> over and over any lens it ever makes will be fully usable on a film M. >>>> I don't t think anything is going to get it to settle for less than >>>> excellent edge quality for its M glass going straight out to a 43.3mm >>>> image >>>> crop circle.... >>>> The 28 Summicron is a gem and at the top of my list for my next Leica >>>> lens. >>>> This lowering of quality thing is a LUG myth which I don't think we're >>>> going >>>> to find documented elsewise. >>>> >>>> >>>> - - from my iRabs. >>>> Mark Rabiner >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz> >>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:47:45 +1200 >>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9....... >>>>> >>>>> That is more of an M8 staple rather than the 35mm/50mm of the M9..... >>>>> >>>>> john >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>> I have seen more 28 Summicron for sale in the last month than last 2 >>>>> years. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information