Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/06/17
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Now that I've read the Wiki carefully from front to back I see it was far from Joe Rosenthal doing it again; as he didn't do it the first time nor was there. Its far more interesting story than I thought it to be. - - from my iRabs. Mark Rabiner http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 04:15:04 -0400 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] "The Puddle Jumper" / Re: How about this one? > > I think the crux of the issue is do street shooters interact with their > subjects or are they ciphers who blend into the wall paper and never say a > word and I think its mainly the former. > If it turned out the puddle jump was the fifth take it would not ruin it > for > me as the truth of the moment goes. It has the puddle jumpers idea to make > the jump in the first place it would be no big deal to me for him to do it > again to make sure the photographer got the shot. > Which was the exact thing which happened in the Raising the Flag on Iwo > Jima > shot by Joe Rosenthal. First it really happened. Then Joe Rosenthal had > them > redo it. Maybe he left his lens cap on the first time. But nobody cares. I > don't. Threes enough "truth" in it for me and everybody. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_the_Flag_on_Iwo_Jima > > - - from my iRabs. > Mark Rabiner > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > > >> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:06:24 -0700 >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] "The Puddle Jumper" / Re: How about this one? >> >> Monsieur Cartier-Bresson obviously loved to play head games with his fan. >> He clearly said a few times that he couldn't see too well through the slot >> or hole in the fence, but he never said, AFAIK, whether he got the guy to >> jump multiple times or not. He deliberately left it vague. >> >> It would be great as an intellectual resolution to know the answer once >> and >> for all. >> >> thanks >> >> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:51 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at >> rabinergroup.com>wrote: >> >>> I was afraid of that. I went flipping though the book when I was in >>> Portland last month and I never found the page. The show we saw in NY >>> though >>> was not that show you are mentioning. It was the Scrapbook show. Early >>> work. >>> It could be I dreamt the contact sheet of puddle jumping but I was not >>> aware >>> I was that delusional. Possible though. The place I would have seen it >>> would have been in the International Center of Photography five years >>> ago. >>> Perhaps someone who was with me from the NYLUG can corroborate it. >>> I certainly can not find it in numerous searches on Bing and Google >>> contacts >>> sheet mode searches. >>> Henri Cartier-Bresson's Scrapbook: Photographs, 1932?1946 >>> JANUARY 19?APRIL 29, 2007 >>> http://www.icp.org/museum/exhibitions/henri-cartier-bressons-scrapbook >>> >>> - - from my iRabs. >>> Mark Rabiner >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ >>> >>> >>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> >>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:37:02 -0700 >>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Subject: [Leica] "The Puddle Jumper" / Re: How about this one? >>>> >>>> Mark, I checked my copy of "Celebrating the Negative," and the negative >>>> shown is just that single frame, cut off, without sprocket holes on on >>> edge >>>> even (Henri "ate them," so he said). >>>> >>>> No there is no contact sheet of the sequence. Unfortunately, it's not >>>> included in the Magnum book "Contact Sheet" either. >>>> >>>> I went to the "Modern Century" show of HCB's photos a few years ago in >>>> SFMOMA and there's no such contact sheet :-( >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In the contact sheet in the book "Celebrating the Negative" by >>>>> John Loengard you can see he is caught in the air jumping over the same >>>>> puddle from the same spot at least 27 times. >>>>> Some of us NY LUG guys also saw and discused that contact sheet when it >>> was >>>>> displayed in the early HCB show at the ICP in new York a few years ago: >>>>> Henri Cartier-Bresson's Scrapbook: Photographs, 1932?1946 >>>>> JANUARY 19?APRIL 29, 2007 >>>>> >>>>> Derriere la Gare Saint-Lazare better known as: >>>>> The Puddle Jumper >>>>> >>>>> This photo findable now on the internet is mainly used as an example >>>>> for >>>>> the >>>>> other myth. That HCB (or other Magnum shooters) never cropped. This >>> photo >>>>> is >>>>> cropped by quite a bit. As are a handful of others of his. >>>>> They are saying in many examples I find on the internet that he is >>>>> shooting >>>>> through a fence which reinforces the whole "decisive moment" myth; >>> Waiting >>>>> patiently some magic moment to happen from a hole in a fence clicking >>> once >>>>> and going home. >>>>> But the guy jumps from the same place over the same puddle strip after >>>>> strip. >>>>> And there was no reason for HCB to not act like any other magazine >>>>> photographer of the time and perhaps a bit less so, now.. To be heavily >>>>> involved with what he was shooting. >>>>> Of course its always depended on the exact kind of thing you're >>> shooting. >>>>> Baby shoes and so on. Hiring models to kiss in front of crowds of >>> leering >>>>> men... >>>>> >>>>> - - from my iRabs. >>>>> Mark Rabiner >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> >>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:52:29 -0700 >>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] How about this one? >>>>>> >>>>>> In the "Impassionated Eye" video, HCB explicitly said the same thing >>> you >>>>>> did, so I think the "asking the guy jumping multiple times" is a myth. >>>>>> >>>>>> and I just love this video >>>>>> http://vimeo.com/33376713 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 5:17 PM, B. D. Colen <bd at bdcolenphoto.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>> Finally, I won't put money on this - but I don't think HCB had the >>>>>>> guy >>>>> do >>>>>>> anything. He was shooting through a hole in a fence, and shot a >>>>>>> series >>>>> of >>>>>>> people as they tried to get across the puddle. The best of the images >>> he >>>>>>> got was of the famous jumper. At least I believe that's correct. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information