Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/06/17
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Belay my last. Just saw this one. Phil Forrest On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:40:08 -0400 Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > Now that I've read the Wiki carefully from front to back I see it was > far from Joe Rosenthal doing it again; as he didn't do it the first > time nor was there. Its far more interesting story than I thought it > to be. > > - - from my iRabs. > Mark Rabiner > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > > > > From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 04:15:04 -0400 > > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] "The Puddle Jumper" / Re: How about this one? > > > > I think the crux of the issue is do street shooters interact with > > their subjects or are they ciphers who blend into the wall paper > > and never say a word and I think its mainly the former. > > If it turned out the puddle jump was the fifth take it would not > > ruin it for me as the truth of the moment goes. It has the puddle > > jumpers idea to make the jump in the first place it would be no big > > deal to me for him to do it again to make sure the photographer got > > the shot. Which was the exact thing which happened in the Raising > > the Flag on Iwo Jima shot by Joe Rosenthal. First it really > > happened. Then Joe Rosenthal had them redo it. Maybe he left his > > lens cap on the first time. But nobody cares. I don't. Threes > > enough "truth" in it for me and everybody. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_the_Flag_on_Iwo_Jima > > > > - - from my iRabs. > > Mark Rabiner > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > > > > > >> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> > >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:06:24 -0700 > >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >> Subject: Re: [Leica] "The Puddle Jumper" / Re: How about this one? > >> > >> Monsieur Cartier-Bresson obviously loved to play head games with > >> his fan. He clearly said a few times that he couldn't see too well > >> through the slot or hole in the fence, but he never said, AFAIK, > >> whether he got the guy to jump multiple times or not. He > >> deliberately left it vague. > >> > >> It would be great as an intellectual resolution to know the answer > >> once and for all. > >> > >> thanks > >> > >> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:51 AM, Mark Rabiner > >> <mark at rabinergroup.com>wrote: > >> > >>> I was afraid of that. I went flipping though the book when I was > >>> in Portland last month and I never found the page. The show we > >>> saw in NY though > >>> was not that show you are mentioning. It was the Scrapbook show. > >>> Early work. > >>> It could be I dreamt the contact sheet of puddle jumping but I > >>> was not aware > >>> I was that delusional. Possible though. The place I would have > >>> seen it would have been in the International Center of > >>> Photography five years ago. Perhaps someone who was with me from > >>> the NYLUG can corroborate it. I certainly can not find it in > >>> numerous searches on Bing and Google contacts > >>> sheet mode searches. > >>> Henri Cartier-Bresson's Scrapbook: Photographs, 1932?1946 > >>> JANUARY 19?APRIL 29, 2007 > >>> http://www.icp.org/museum/exhibitions/henri-cartier-bressons-scrapbook > >>> > >>> - - from my iRabs. > >>> Mark Rabiner > >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > >>> > >>> > >>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> > >>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>>> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:37:02 -0700 > >>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>>> Subject: [Leica] "The Puddle Jumper" / Re: How about this one? > >>>> > >>>> Mark, I checked my copy of "Celebrating the Negative," and the > >>>> negative shown is just that single frame, cut off, without > >>>> sprocket holes on on > >>> edge > >>>> even (Henri "ate them," so he said). > >>>> > >>>> No there is no contact sheet of the sequence. Unfortunately, > >>>> it's not included in the Magnum book "Contact Sheet" either. > >>>> > >>>> I went to the "Modern Century" show of HCB's photos a few years > >>>> ago in SFMOMA and there's no such contact sheet :-( > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Mark Rabiner > >>>> <mark at rabinergroup.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> In the contact sheet in the book "Celebrating the Negative" by > >>>>> John Loengard you can see he is caught in the air jumping over > >>>>> the same puddle from the same spot at least 27 times. > >>>>> Some of us NY LUG guys also saw and discused that contact sheet > >>>>> when it > >>> was > >>>>> displayed in the early HCB show at the ICP in new York a few > >>>>> years ago: Henri Cartier-Bresson's Scrapbook: Photographs, > >>>>> 1932?1946 JANUARY 19?APRIL 29, 2007 > >>>>> > >>>>> Derriere la Gare Saint-Lazare better known as: > >>>>> The Puddle Jumper > >>>>> > >>>>> This photo findable now on the internet is mainly used as an > >>>>> example for the > >>>>> other myth. That HCB (or other Magnum shooters) never cropped. > >>>>> This > >>> photo > >>>>> is > >>>>> cropped by quite a bit. As are a handful of others of his. > >>>>> They are saying in many examples I find on the internet that > >>>>> he is shooting > >>>>> through a fence which reinforces the whole "decisive moment" > >>>>> myth; > >>> Waiting > >>>>> patiently some magic moment to happen from a hole in a fence > >>>>> clicking > >>> once > >>>>> and going home. > >>>>> But the guy jumps from the same place over the same puddle > >>>>> strip after strip. > >>>>> And there was no reason for HCB to not act like any other > >>>>> magazine photographer of the time and perhaps a bit less so, > >>>>> now.. To be heavily involved with what he was shooting. > >>>>> Of course its always depended on the exact kind of thing you're > >>> shooting. > >>>>> Baby shoes and so on. Hiring models to kiss in front of crowds > >>>>> of > >>> leering > >>>>> men... > >>>>> > >>>>> - - from my iRabs. > >>>>> Mark Rabiner > >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> > >>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>>>>> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:52:29 -0700 > >>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] How about this one? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In the "Impassionated Eye" video, HCB explicitly said the same > >>>>>> thing > >>> you > >>>>>> did, so I think the "asking the guy jumping multiple times" is > >>>>>> a myth. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> and I just love this video > >>>>>> http://vimeo.com/33376713 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 5:17 PM, B. D. Colen > >>>>>> <bd at bdcolenphoto.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> ... > >>>>>>> Finally, I won't put money on this - but I don't think HCB > >>>>>>> had the guy > >>>>> do > >>>>>>> anything. He was shooting through a hole in a fence, and shot > >>>>>>> a series > >>>>> of > >>>>>>> people as they tried to get across the puddle. The best of > >>>>>>> the images > >>> he > >>>>>>> got was of the famous jumper. At least I believe that's > >>>>>>> correct. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>>>>> information > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>>>> information > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>>> information > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>> information > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >> information > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- http://philipforrestphoto.wordpress.com/ http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/philforrest