Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/03/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I would be interested by one or more pictures made from the dead batteries you opened. When opening the dead body, maybe you simply did not see a tiny device i.e.a few mm or even less with two or more hairthin wires that can also act as a fuse. Since there is a 3rd contact in the battery and also inside the charger, I have good reasons to think there is a form of protection that could go unnoticed, certainly if the inside is inbedded in solid plastic or even silicone. One PC and Laptoplaptop maker I know, a huge company known worldwide, simply protects their Laptops with an elaborate printed circuit inside the batterie wich also contains a special code. This code makes the use of third party batteries simply impossible. Even some brands of inkjet cartridges have a small microprocessor that controls and regulates the level of the ink. If you refill them half way, you can continue to work with it. If it reaches the end it warns you and you cannot refill them anymore, unless you reprogram them with a connector from the outside. Most known game, printer and cellphone makers use the same tricks. I will give no names, see the media or make a walk around the Interet. The inkjet trick was discovered and solved by a Russion a few years ago. He gave all details of his reprogramming systhem on the Internet and believe me it works. Its not only technology, it's also a commercial war. They have good reasons to protect the customer indeed, but they also protect their market. Regards Cedric 2013/3/15 John Nebel <john.nebel at csdco.com>: > Boeing wishes it had better batteries! > > > On 3/14/13 8:25 PM, Richard Man wrote: >> >> I am speaking from real knowledge here: modern batteries do have >> protection, embedded processors etc. It's true that some no-name brands >> come from the same factories. It's also true that unscrupulous >> manufacturers would wholesale copy expensive batteries, think xerox copy >> but in the manufacturing sense and sell them much cheaper. They may work >> as >> well, or they may not, depending on how good the copy is. >> >> I usually do not need more than 2 batteries, no matter how hard I shoot. >> So >> I have 3, since I consistently misplace one of them. >> >> Since my camera is multi-thousands, the battery cost is the least of it, >> so >> I buy Leica's batteries. One less thing to worry about. None of them has >> died. >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I know its wrong but think of the battery as part of the "motor" of the >>> camera. I know its wrong but I wonder if its wall wrong. There may be a >>> tiny >>> thread of insane non sensible truth to it. >>> >>> Its always what you don't think. >>> >>> That's my motto. >>> >>> >>> On 3/14/13 7:09 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> This is one of those long standing discussions. Some folks report good >>>> experience with the much cheaper alternates and others not. >>>> In this case Frank bought twelve and they have all died within two >>>> years. >>>> Some are prepared to pay much more for the Leica branded ones because >>>> their assessment is that they should be more reliable and the extra is >>>> acceptable for a 6 or $7000.camera and their photography That doesn't >>> >>> make >>>> >>>> them suckers. >>>> Everyone will do their own sums on cost/performance. Why not. >>>> >>>> One of my originals (I have 3 in total) is about five years old, one >>> >>> about >>>> >>>> four and one three (new with my M9). All continue to work fine. Actually >>>> Leica Camera suggests that 3 years is a reasonable life before >>> >>> replacement >>>> >>>> is recommended. >>>> Lower output from old or non-genuine items was the factor that Leica >>> >>> Camera >>>> >>>> identified as contributing to card problems(write fails) with the M9, >>> >>> which >>>> >>>> is why the latest M9 firmware was introduced. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *If you want to take more interesting pictures, >>>> stand in front of more interesting stuff* -- Joe McNally >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Geoff >>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>> >>>> >>>> On 15 March 2013 07:39, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Except that more often than not, the aftermarket batteries are made at >>>>> exactly the same factory as the original ones. As someone said, a >>> >>> sucker is >>>>> >>>>> born every day. >>>>> >>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>> >>>>> YNWA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 14, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Fro my Leica digital I used a Leica battery. >>>>>> Fro my Nikon D whatever I used Nikon batteries. >>>>>> I can tell you when the time ever comes for me to buy a seven thousand >>>>>> dollar camera the last thing I'm going to do is go shopping for cheap >>>>> >>>>> third >>>>>> >>>>>> party batteries. I'll blow a few more hundred and get a couple more >>>>>> batteries with a red dot on it. >>>>>> This thread has come on this list several times and every seeing time >>> >>> the >>>>>> >>>>>> only person who seemed to hold this opinion was me. >>>>>> Now I am feeling vindicated up the yin yang for the tables to have >>>>>> been >>>>>> turned. >>>>>> The only way I've not won out is the fact that using the cheap >>> >>> batteries >>>>> >>>>> do >>>>>> >>>>>> not seemed to have ruined any cameras. I'd have thought there was a >>> >>> good >>>>>> >>>>>> chance that might happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> I read a book on batteries in photography once it was by the Aaton >>>>> >>>>> company >>>>>> >>>>>> head engineer or guy own owned the company or both.. >>>>>> A French company who made motion picture cameras and batteries. >>>>>> Gave me a healthy respect for them. But since then the landscape has >>>>>> changed. Its strewn with dead cheap batteries for one. ...Seeping >>>>>> toxic >>>>>> waste into the top soil or water underneath. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I like expensive batteries. Silver ones. Light. Lith? >>>>>> I say "give me the most expensive battery you got" then charge me >>> >>> double! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>> Photography >>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> Photography >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information