Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/03/23
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Maybe because the Digilux is a Panasonic in disguise? (-: Cheers Jayanand On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:37 AM, <philippe.amard at sfr.fr> wrote: > Could I agree more? NO! > > > Leica had it right in the Digilux3 back in 2006 - CMOS, liveview, AF and > OIS, and self-cleaning sensor - why they didn't upgrade the sensor in size > and get the R9 Diesel out will remain a complete mystery to me, forever... > > > Philippe, in noleicaland > > > > > > ======================================== > > Message du : 23/03/2013 21:30 > De : "Nathan Wajsman " <photo at frozenlight.eu> > A : "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > Copie ? : > Sujet : Re: [Leica] Sensor frustration > > > Sorry Cedric, but those old stories about Barnack etc., with which we are > all familiar, have no relevance whatsoever to the subject at hand. Olympus > came out with its SSWF technology in the E-1 in 2003, and within a couple > of years it became standard on the other major brands--except Leica. I > vaguely recall some engineering excuses for its absence on the M8 and later > M9, but frankly speaking, as a user, I do not care about those excuses. All > I know that with my inferior and much cheaper Pentax and Panasonic cameras > I never have to clean the sensor and never have spots (and yes, I change > lenses on those cameras at least as often as on the Leica), whereas on the > Leica it is a recurring problem. > > No excuse. Putting liquids and swabs on sensors is just so pathetically > 20th century. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ > > YNWA > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 2013, at 8:41 PM, Cedric Agie wrote: > > > I do have some difficulties to agree with these humorous points of > > vieuw. Of course photographers by definition must be able to have a > > large point of vieuw. > > > >> From the beginning when Oskar Barnack had started playing with the > > idea of taking pictures with a cine film, he, and later Leitz, its > > technicians and engineers always did everything they could to improve, > > but also to symplify this wonderfull camera. And certainly once > > Grandfather Ernst Leitz I had decided to start its production. They > > not only do everything to symplify production, but also in the vieuw > > of after sales services i.e. repairs and maintenance (CLA etc). This > > cuts costs during and after production, that's nothing new in the > > economy. Don't forget Leicas are for a good part handmade, tuned and > > checked. It went so far that Oscar Barnack asked to have his own > > office next to the production hall with a large vieuw on it. He never > > stopped improving and simplyfying a model even during production. > > Break downs are often taken into consideration when cameras come back > > to the factory. > > > > A simple example; if you can have a look at every possible model of > > the M-4 since it came to the market. You will never see 2 identical > > models if you take a very close look at it. Dimensions and look don't > > change much but for ex the tiny screws that appear on the front of the > > camera holding it together, not only don't have the same look, but you > > will also find them at differend places as production was improved. > > > > Regarding the CCD and now CMOSIS captor, Leica tried to follow the > > evolution of this technology verry closely and used it as soon as > > possible. But they also have to do with it as it comes to market > > i.e. to make a good camera that suits their potential clients at a > > certain moment. I too cursed and fumbled at these tiny spots and specs > > I saw in the beginning with my beloved M-9. In time I took more care > > and precautions when changing lenses. Those of us if not most of us > > will certainly remember we often had to fight against dust, dirt, > > specs and tiny spots etc when we worked in the darkroom. Enlarging > > color and developping Ektachromes made things even worse. Moving a > > darkroom to another place had sometimes catastrophic consequences. > > > > There must be a way and a solvent that helps to clean the captor, > > maybe the same way we clean our lenses i.e. carefully. But who knows > > the formula of the contents of that magic and expensive bottle? Whe > > certainly will find out sooner or later. I do have an idea. I will let > > you know if I find out. > > > > Regards & have a good W-E. > > > > Cedric > > > > > > > > 2013/3/23 Bill Pearce : > >> I have heard similar laments from owners of German cars, about > mechanical > >> issues not sensors. There is something about the Germans that I can't > >> understand. I have heard it said that German engineering means why use > two > >> parts when ten will do? > >> > >> -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Wajsman > >> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:45 AM > >> To: lug Group > >> Subject: [Leica] Sensor frustration > >> > >> > >> Why, oh why did Leica choose not to build in a sensor-cleaning system > into > >> their cameras, pioneered by Olympus many years ago? Because zat is not > ze > >> vay ve do it here, I suppose. But having spent 20 minutes fighting with > >> spots on my M8 sensor, and probably having made the problem worse, I am > just > >> frustrated. Basically, my M8 is useless for any pictures with blue sky > in > >> them. > >> > >> Grumpy. > >> > >> Nathan > >> > >> Nathan Wajsman > >> Alicante, Spain > >> http://www.frozenlight.eu > >> http://www.greatpix.eu > >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > >> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ > >> > >> YNWA > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >