[Leica] Sensor frustration

[jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)]

Nathan,
My view is that Leica does not bother with these fripperies, because most
Leicas sold never come out of a cabinet, and therefore these irrelevant
things like dust spots affect only a very small minority of Leica *owners*.
(-:
Cheers
Jayanand
(Ducking quickly for cover)

On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:00 AM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at 
frozenlight.eu>wrote:

> Sorry Cedric, but those old stories about Barnack etc., with which we are
> all familiar, have no relevance whatsoever to the subject at hand. Olympus
> came out with its SSWF technology in the E-1 in 2003, and within a couple
> of years it became standard on the other major brands--except Leica. I
> vaguely recall some engineering excuses for its absence on the M8 and later
> M9, but frankly speaking, as a user, I do not care about those excuses. All
> I know that with my inferior and much cheaper Pentax and Panasonic cameras
> I never have to clean the sensor and never have spots (and yes, I change
> lenses on those cameras at least as often as on the Leica), whereas on the
> Leica it is a recurring problem.
>
> No excuse. Putting liquids and swabs on sensors is just so pathetically
> 20th century.
>
> Nathan
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> Nathan Wajsman
> Alicante, Spain
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> YNWA
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> On Mar 23, 2013, at 8:41 PM, Cedric Agie wrote:
>
> > I do have some difficulties to agree with these humorous points of
> > vieuw. Of course photographers by definition must be able to have a
> > large point of vieuw.
> >
> >> From the beginning when Oskar Barnack had started playing with the
> > idea of taking pictures with a cine film, he, and later Leitz, its
> > technicians and engineers always did everything they could to improve,
> > but also to symplify this wonderfull camera. And certainly once
> > Grandfather Ernst Leitz I had decided to start its production. They
> > not only do everything to symplify production, but also in the vieuw
> > of after sales services i.e. repairs and maintenance (CLA etc). This
> > cuts costs during and after production, that's nothing new in the
> > economy. Don't forget Leicas are for a good part handmade, tuned and
> > checked. It went so far that Oscar Barnack asked to have his own
> > office next to the production hall with a large vieuw on it. He never
> > stopped improving and simplyfying a model even during production.
> > Break downs are often taken into consideration when cameras come back
> > to the factory.
> >
> > A simple example; if you can have a look at every possible model of
> > the M-4 since it came to the market. You will never see 2 identical
> > models if you take a very close look at it. Dimensions and look don't
> > change much but for ex the tiny screws that appear on the front of the
> > camera holding it together, not only don't have the same look, but you
> > will also find them at differend places as production was improved.
> >
> > Regarding the CCD and now CMOSIS captor, Leica tried to follow the
> > evolution of this technology verry closely and used it as soon as
> > possible. But they also have to do with it as it comes to   market
> > i.e. to make a good camera that suits their potential clients at a
> > certain moment. I too cursed and fumbled at these tiny spots and specs
> > I saw in the beginning with my beloved M-9. In time I took more care
> > and precautions when changing lenses. Those of us if not most of us
> > will certainly remember we often had to fight against dust, dirt,
> > specs and tiny spots etc when we worked in the darkroom. Enlarging
> > color and developping Ektachromes made things even worse. Moving a
> > darkroom to another place had sometimes catastrophic consequences.
> >
> > There must be a way and a solvent that helps to clean the captor,
> > maybe the same way we clean our lenses i.e. carefully. But who knows
> > the formula of the contents of that magic and expensive bottle? Whe
> > certainly will find out sooner or later. I do have an idea. I will let
> > you know if I find out.
> >
> > Regards & have a good W-E.
> >
> > Cedric
> >
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> >
> > 2013/3/23 Bill Pearce <billcpearce at cox.net>:
> >> I have heard similar laments from owners of German cars, about
> mechanical
> >> issues not sensors. There is something about the Germans that I can't
> >> understand. I have heard it said that German engineering means why use
> two
> >> parts when ten will do?
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Wajsman
> >> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:45 AM
> >> To: lug Group
> >> Subject: [Leica] Sensor frustration
> >>
> >>
> >> Why, oh why did Leica choose not to build in a sensor-cleaning system
> into
> >> their cameras, pioneered by Olympus many years ago? Because zat is not
> ze
> >> vay ve do it here, I suppose. But having spent 20 minutes fighting with
> >> spots on my M8 sensor, and probably having made the problem worse, I am
> just
> >> frustrated. Basically, my M8 is useless for any pictures with blue sky
> in
> >> them.
> >>
> >> Grumpy.
> >>
> >> Nathan
> >>
> >> Nathan Wajsman
> >> Alicante, Spain
> >> http://www.frozenlight.eu
> >> http://www.greatpix.eu
> >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
> >> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
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> >> YNWA
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