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Subject: [Leica] Adobe kills Creative Suite – all future features online only • The Register
From: hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 18:07:23 +1000
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Well now Jayanand I didn't want to disappoint you when you took a swipe at 
Adobe again ;-) I think you are talking about opinions or preferences 
though. Nothing wrong with different viewpoints there. What did I say that 
wasn't fact?

cheers
Geoff

On 07/05/2013, at 14:57, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote:

> Geoff,
> I expected a retort from you. No problem - you believe what you must, and I
> will believe what I must.
> 
> I have spent my working life understanding companies and corporate
> behaviour, so I am very clear on what is generally good and what is not so
> good for the end consumer, and I have learnt (by losing money by making
> biased investments) to be pretty clear headed about it, so there is, I
> think, a minimum of bias involved. Others can agree or not - I have no
> problems with that - I am only making a point as I see it.
> 
> Cheers
> Jayanand
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at 
> gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> Jayanand, Cloud based applications are becoming more prevalent for good or
>> worse. Not unique to Adobe though. Microsoft being the 800 lb gorilla of
>> course. Your two favourite companies I think ;-)
>> DNG of course is what we have from Leicas so I don't think it helps much
>> to rail against it on a nominally Leica list . The format makes perfect
>> sense for the small company.
>> There's no endless debate on Canon/Nikon openly publishing their
>> proprietary Raw data. Nikon at least do not. Nikon have issued joint
>> statements with Adobe in the past. You can use Adobe applications with
>> Nikon NEF files natively or you can convert them to DNG. Nikon requires 
>> you
>> to have their software to access the encrypted WB information. How is 
>> their
>> proprietary format not a monopoly and Adobe's documented open standard 
>> that
>> any company can implement for free a monopoly?
>> I shoot quite a bit with my D600 and had the D7000 before that. As is
>> obvious they do some things better than M's. Personally I have never
>> observed any practical differences comparing the original NEF's and DNG's
>> converted from them. I don't care at all about their encrypted WB
>> information either. I do prefer some of the advantages of the DNG's for my
>> workflow. That is only personal choice though. I never installed the free
>> version of the Nikon software at all and paying more for their full
>> featured version doesn't make sense to me when I already use LR anyway. 
>> I'm
>> sure that there are many people content with the Nikon offerings only.
>> cheers
>> Geoff
>> 
>> On 07/05/2013, at 13:04, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Typical Adobe behaviour and pricing. The power of monopoly in full flow!
>>> They really are one of the few general market consumer software companies
>>> that can get away with this sort of predatory pricing and behaviour. I
>>> remember propagating the view during the endless debate on Canon/Nikon
>> not
>>> openly publishing their proprietary RAW data so that Adobe could design a
>>> better Camera RAW, that the real danger was Adobe, not the camera
>>> manufacturers, because they are a monopoly, and that is always the most
>>> dangerous type of entity for end users. Now that axiom is coming home to
>>> roost. I really do not understand why anybody would want to even more
>>> firmly get into their clutches by using DNG (unless unavoidable, i.e.
>>> Leica).
>>> Cheers
>>> Jayanand
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:56 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/adobe_kills_creative_suite_for_cloud/
>>>> 
>>>> That should save some money, shame that they do not realise that we do
>> not
>>>> all live in the USA or Europe and have high latency to their servers :-(
>>>> 
>>>> john
>>>> 
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