Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/05/07
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]General discontent: https://www.facebook.com/adobecreativecloud Cheers Jayanand On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: > Well now Jayanand I didn't want to disappoint you when you took a swipe at > Adobe again ;-) I think you are talking about opinions or preferences > though. Nothing wrong with different viewpoints there. What did I say that > wasn't fact? > > cheers > Geoff > > On 07/05/2013, at 14:57, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Geoff, >> I expected a retort from you. No problem - you believe what you must, and >> I >> will believe what I must. >> >> I have spent my working life understanding companies and corporate >> behaviour, so I am very clear on what is generally good and what is not so >> good for the end consumer, and I have learnt (by losing money by making >> biased investments) to be pretty clear headed about it, so there is, I >> think, a minimum of bias involved. Others can agree or not - I have no >> problems with that - I am only making a point as I see it. >> >> Cheers >> Jayanand >> >> >> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at >> gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Jayanand, Cloud based applications are becoming more prevalent for good >>> or >>> worse. Not unique to Adobe though. Microsoft being the 800 lb gorilla of >>> course. Your two favourite companies I think ;-) >>> DNG of course is what we have from Leicas so I don't think it helps much >>> to rail against it on a nominally Leica list . The format makes perfect >>> sense for the small company. >>> There's no endless debate on Canon/Nikon openly publishing their >>> proprietary Raw data. Nikon at least do not. Nikon have issued joint >>> statements with Adobe in the past. You can use Adobe applications with >>> Nikon NEF files natively or you can convert them to DNG. Nikon requires >>> you >>> to have their software to access the encrypted WB information. How is >>> their >>> proprietary format not a monopoly and Adobe's documented open standard >>> that >>> any company can implement for free a monopoly? >>> I shoot quite a bit with my D600 and had the D7000 before that. As is >>> obvious they do some things better than M's. Personally I have never >>> observed any practical differences comparing the original NEF's and DNG's >>> converted from them. I don't care at all about their encrypted WB >>> information either. I do prefer some of the advantages of the DNG's for >>> my >>> workflow. That is only personal choice though. I never installed the free >>> version of the Nikon software at all and paying more for their full >>> featured version doesn't make sense to me when I already use LR anyway. >>> I'm >>> sure that there are many people content with the Nikon offerings only. >>> cheers >>> Geoff >>> >>> On 07/05/2013, at 13:04, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Typical Adobe behaviour and pricing. The power of monopoly in full flow! >>>> They really are one of the few general market consumer software >>>> companies >>>> that can get away with this sort of predatory pricing and behaviour. I >>>> remember propagating the view during the endless debate on Canon/Nikon >>> not >>>> openly publishing their proprietary RAW data so that Adobe could design >>>> a >>>> better Camera RAW, that the real danger was Adobe, not the camera >>>> manufacturers, because they are a monopoly, and that is always the most >>>> dangerous type of entity for end users. Now that axiom is coming home to >>>> roost. I really do not understand why anybody would want to even more >>>> firmly get into their clutches by using DNG (unless unavoidable, i.e. >>>> Leica). >>>> Cheers >>>> Jayanand >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:56 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/adobe_kills_creative_suite_for_cloud/ >>>>> >>>>> That should save some money, shame that they do not realise that we do >>> not >>>>> all live in the USA or Europe and have high latency to their servers >>>>> :-( >>>>> >>>>> john >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information