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Subject: [Leica] Color Blindness in America Re: Winogrand exhibit
From: richard at richardmanphoto.com (Richard Man)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 12:05:16 -0700
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F*CK YOU NATHAN. JUST F*CK YOU




On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Nathan Wajsman <nathan at 
frozenlight.eu>wrote:

> Oh, so Winogrand was a racist after all then?
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> Nathan Wajsman
> Alicante, Spain
> *http://www.frozenlight.eu*
> *http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu*
> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: 
> *http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws*<http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>
> Blog: *http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ <http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog>
> *
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> YNWA
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> On May 10, 2013, at 8:10 PM, Richard Man wrote:
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> I am sure most of you are sick of this, I am tilting at the windmills.
>
> But here's another example close to (my) home: as you may know, in Silicon
> Valley, a lot of tech workers are Chinese and Indians.
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> Also a small number of firms are founded by Chinese and Indians.
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> And of course we know some of the biggest firms, in China, Taiwan, India
> are owned by Chinese and Indians.
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> So guess how many Chinese and Indians executives or board of directors are
> there in Tech firm not founded by Chinese or Indians.
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> If your guess is less than the number of your fingers in your hands, you
> are correct.
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> Please Nathan, Mr. Rabiner, and Lew, explain it to me how this happens.
> Thank you.
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> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Richard Man <richard at 
> richardmanphoto.com>wrote:
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>> BTW, for examples of color blindness, look no further than Hollywood
>> movies. USA is 10% Asian-Americans, ~20% Latino and climbing, and almost
>> 20% African Americans also - but you cannot tell that from the movies. Are
>> they all racists. No, I wouldn't say that.
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>> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Richard Man <richard at 
>> richardmanphoto.com
>> >wrote:
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>> > As  I said before, I am wondering if there is a case of color blindness,
>> > and this is only in the context of someone who photographs at least 2-5
>> > rolls everyday in NY / LA on average.
>> >
>> > I might very well be wrong in the observation, but isn't it interesting
>> > that people jumped onto the "I am accusing a great man for being
>> racist" or
>> > that "other artists did not paint Asians" either.
>> >
>> > No one has actually said, gee, no, Winogrand does not have a case of
>> color
>> > blindness, you are just making a mountain out of molehill. I'd accept
>> that,
>> > but no, we have Mr. Rabiner accusing me, and Douglas and you jumping on
>> the
>> > bandwagon....
>> > On May 9, 2013 6:15 AM, "Nathan Wajsman" <photo at frozenlight.eu> 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Richard, you are being a bit disingenuous here. If you were only
>> "making
>> >> an observation", then might I ask why you felt that this particular
>> >> observation was relevant? I have no idea if Winogrand was a racist or
>> not,
>> >> but clearly your "observation" is only relevant in that context. So
>> don't
>> >> pretend that there was no deeper meaning behind your "observation".
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Nathan
>> >>
>> >> Nathan Wajsman
>> >> Alicante, Spain
>> >> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>> >> http://www.greatpix.eu
>> >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>> >> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>> >>
>> >> YNWA
>> >>
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>> >>
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>> >> On May 9, 2013, at 6:29 AM, Richard Man wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Mark, did you read everything I write? I made an observation.
>> Viewers of
>> >> > his exhibit can judge for themselves about my observation, which once
>> >> again
>> >> > is "few photos in his exhibit have people of colors, and exactly one
>> >> Asian
>> >> > that we can find." I am not accusing him of anything. Anyone can
>> >> confirm or
>> >> > refute my observation. The exhibit is still open and you can purchase
>> >> the
>> >> > book for $50.
>> >> >
>> >> > May be it;s the curator and has billions of photos of African
>> American
>> >> in
>> >> > his vast quantity of negatives, but this exhibit does not show it.
>> >> >
>> >> > You are making accusation, I am not. Please have some restrain that
>> you
>> >> > speak of.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at 
>> >> > rabinergroup.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Have you seen his Rolodex?
>> >> >> Because it really appears you are accusing Garry Winogrand of
>> racism.
>> >> >> And you don't know much about him.
>> >> >> The idea that he'd have any problem with having people of color in
>> his
>> >> >> frame
>> >> >> is patently absurd.
>> >> >> When one makes slights against a someone's personal integrity some
>> >> >> restraint
>> >> >> in in order. Even if that person is not a towering figure of a
>> >> particular
>> >> >> type. In this case a photographer who dedicated his life to capture
>> the
>> >> >> world around him and who did it with some success.
>> >> >> Is this a controversy?
>> >> >> Has anyone in the history of the world ever said anything about the
>> >> color
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> the people the great Garry Winogrand photographed? OF COURSE NOT.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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>> >>
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