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Subject: [Leica] Leica M (Type 240) Experience
From: photobynelsch at gmail.com (Bill Nelsch)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 16:02:19 -0600
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Wait a minute - are you suggesting that the 'shutter delay' is AFTER the
image is captured?


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at 
gmail.com>wrote:

> Bob I know that you helpfully provided your own list of pluses and minuses
> as relevant to you. I was originally planning to do the same. I still have
> not handled a new camera,
> In the traditional metering mode is the camera not going to meter in
> exactly the same way as the other except that the dynamic range of the
> system may vary? In other words you drive it with exactly the same
> understanding of what the simple metering does.
>
> In Liveview is the camera not going always going to operate with some
> perceptible delay just as all of the pro dSLRs do too except minus the
> mirror operations?
> I've played with Liveview on my Nikons and have found it a usable
> substitute for the precision of proper manual focus screens when shooting
> in very close (flowers for example). I thought maybe an f.2 adaptor might
> be worthwhile to try on the M as I have the Zeiss 100 macro
> I keep thinking that this is an M that also has a limited means of using
> the R lenses much more than an R10 substitute. It was never going to be a
> dSLR. Stefan Daniel said that as far back as mid-2009.
>
>
> *Breathe in, breathe out, move on* -- Jimmy Buffett
>
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>
>
> On 4 June 2013 06:06, Bob Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi John.
> > Mostly not. I may have put in my original email that I was in classic
> mode
> > and blowing most my highlights because a black wall filled the majority
> of
> > my frame. When I switched to the new "advanced" metering mode, the
> exposure
> > was corrected. This was one of the "good" items on my list.
> > I really didn't pay attention to the lag difference between the two
> > metering modes; just noticed that there was a noticeable lag in each
> using
> > live view. As you have more time to test, I have no doubt you are right.
> > Best,
> > Bob
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Jun 3, 2013, at 12:43 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks, were you in one of the new metering modes on the M? I believe
> > those slow it down; my M in classic metering has slight but not worrisome
> > lag in LV compared to rangefinder...I certainly could not try and time
> it.
> > >
> > > john
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >>
> > >> Hi John,
> > >> IMO it's not. The X-E1 is noticeably faster. I am no EE, but I don't
> > think the X-
> > >> E1 has a shutter: when I remove a lens I see the sensor. As the X-E1
> > has no
> > >> optical viewfinder, only the back LCD or the Electrical View Finder,
> the
> > >> exposure mechanics are probably quite different. Perhaps it's just a
> > timed
> > >> electrical pulse?
> > >> Best,
> > >> Bob
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:31 PM, John McMaster <john at 
> > >> mcmaster.co.nz>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Actually Steve, it will be similar to your XE-1 - how do you find the
> > >>> delay on the Fuji?
> > >>>
> > >>> john
> > >>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It was trying to quantify the delay, you notice it but would be hard
> > >>> pushed to
> > >>>> time it...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> john
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> at 30x the price it's faster...
> > >>>>> Steve Barbour
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Jun 2, 2013, at 9:52 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It is there but it does not feel sluggish, it is nothing like the
> > >>>>> lag on a P&S for example
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> john
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Bill Nelsch wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I am still wondering about how the Type 240 works with R lenses?
> > >>>>>>> Does the focus assist really work with R lenses?  Since you can
> > >>>>>>> only use the EVF to focus the R lens does that mean that all of
> > >>>>>>> your shots are going to have the shutter delay?  So far I
> > >>>>>>> haven't read any user experience vis a vis the red headed
> > >>>>>>> stepchild R system and before I bail on my DMR I would really
> > >>>>>>> like to know if
> > >>> this is
> > >>>> in fact an "R Solution"?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The reported shutter delay means it's not the R solution for me.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Doug Herr
> > >>>>>> Birdman of Sacramento
> > >>>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
> > >
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Replies: Reply from hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] Leica M (Type 240) Experience)
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Message from john at mcmaster.co.nz (John McMaster) ([Leica] Leica M (Type 240) Experience)
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