Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/06/27
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ On 6/26/13 4:23 PM, "Steve Barbour" <steve.barbour at gmail.com> wrote: > > On Jun 26, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > wrote: > >> Why don't you Steve? > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/paw2013/?g2_page=5 > > and the preceding pages...(many leica, many other, you can not tell the > difference) > > You would know, if you had taken a look at some of my images, and those of > many other photographers here. > > So a chance for a look now.... me, I'm out. > > No more, I'm on my way to make some pictures. > > > Steve > > >> On 6/26/13 2:34 PM, "Steve Barbour" <steve.barbour at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> hey Mark, why don't you hang it up and take some good pictures with what >>> ever.... >>> >>> >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 26, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> "Good value" is a key term concerning this whole Leica deal. >>>> A fact that since its inception there was always a cheaper way to take >>>> pictures. Always will be. Won't a Pentax Spotmatic still take very nice >>>> pictures? >>>> If it did and it cost half a Leica then its clearly to most people a >>>> better >>>> value is it not? >>>> Or a Nikon F used by the vast majority of pro's a while back. Why pay >>>> more >>>> than what the pros are paying? Don't you need to be looking through the >>>> lens? >>>> But a few went for the Leica for the numerous reasons which gets >>>> occasionally discussed here and other Leica lists. >>>> 1. You get to NOT look through the lens. >>>> 2. Premium build and glass. >>>> 3. more compact basic size form. >>>> 4. a bit more low key on the job >>>> >>>> 5. looks nicer. >>>> 6. feels nicer. >>>> 8. a better investment of money. >>>> 9. I forgot. >>>> 10. _____ insert your own reason here. >>>> >>>> As far as Leica goes it should got without saying there is always a >>>> cheaper >>>> way out. And that gets called " good value". And that term was used by a >>>> few >>>> others in the past couple of days and in reviews of the New Vario X I >>>> just >>>> read...."but is it a good value?" they guy said. >>>> >>>> Any of my Leica lenses I got in the 90's and beyond I can sell for twice >>>> what I laid out for them new. >>>> Any Nikon lens I got was like driving out of a dealership with a new >>>> car. >>>> A not small irretrievable loss had just occurred. >>>> >>>> And every time I reached for my 35mm ASPH f2 Summicron M it didn't ask >>>> me >>>> for another $1495. >>>> It just made better images than any Nikon lens I had by far. >>>> 16x20 and 20x24 inch prints made first in my darkroom and then on my >>>> Epson >>>> in odd sizes made for no doubt. >>>> And still I got to use the lens and it never once asked me for more >>>> cash. >>>> The $1495 was gone. I'd long forgotten what else I may have done with >>>> it. >>>> >>>> Yes put me on the list please! >>>> Check it twice. >>>> >>>> I have faith that many more of us will be getting new Leica M's this >>>> year >>>> and in the very near future. As plenty other people brand new to all >>>> things >>>> Leica will be this year and in the very near future. And many of these >>>> people will be doing some high profile work. >>>> Soon you wont be able to get a decent table in a McDonalds without a >>>> Leica >>>> M >>>> in your side bag. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6/26/13 2:14 AM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mark, I doubt that anyone else on the list is as enthused with the new >>>>> M >>>>> (or all of the M stuff I guess) as I am. I just got mine yesterday so >>>>> I'm >>>>> barely starting to learn it. >>>>> Of course they are also still in extremely short supply and they cost a >>>>> lot. So was the M8 and the M9 initially. Actually mine cost me >>>>> significantly less than my M9 (which is going to a good home on the >>>>> list). >>>>> I was just commenting that the Fuji cameras are very popular and seem >>>>> like >>>>> good value, so much so here that no-one can sell you one in my city >>>>> currently which is a little ironic. Do I need one and would I buy one, >>>>> no, >>>>> for the very obvious reason that I'm lucky enough to have a great >>>>> camera >>>>> with superb lenses to use. >>>>> >>>>> I'll put you on my group email list for stuff on the new camera if you >>>>> like. There just aren't many owners here as yet, I think. Henning a >>>>> couple >>>>> of others as I recall. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Family and friends are everything.* >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Geoff >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 26 June 2013 13:39, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Well I hope my tone was clear I'm on your side for being the only one >>>>>> to >>>>>> mention the Leica brand on the thread I think it was an M240 you >>>>>> recommended. >>>>>> I was a bit put off by the unanimous consensus to get the Fuji system >>>>>> camera >>>>>> on the LUG today. Leica has moved far beyond this now. Cropped >>>>>> systems. >>>>>> The fuji is a half assed compromise. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't feel if that's what your now saying that the fact that the >>>>>> Fuji >>>>>> is >>>>>> sold out that that makes it an item of interest for a list of supposed >>>>>> Leica >>>>>> lovers. It just means they made a camera marketed at the masses and is >>>>>> succeeding on that account. >>>>>> As far as APS-2 1.5x compacts go I'm ok with the ones with non >>>>>> interchangeable lenes. The idea of using my set of Leica glass on a >>>>>> cropped >>>>>> format with odd balance and limited compatibility does not excite me. >>>>>> But >>>>>> quite puts me off. >>>>>> The APS-C format is fine for me on a camera which goes into a pants >>>>>> pocket. >>>>>> I'd even go the Vario X route though it would need a coat pocket. >>>>>> The compact glass on the Leica X2 or Vario are made for that format. >>>>>> As are some other ones. >>>>>> >>>>>> Fujifilm X100s $1,299 1.5 crop >>>>>> Leica X2 $1,995 1.5 crop >>>>>> Nikon Coolpix A $1,097 1.5 crop >>>>>> Ricoh GR $797 1.5 crop >>>>>> Sigma DP1, 2 or 3. $999 with a sensor closer to 2x crop. >>>>>> >>>>>> But the camera to get of course is the Sony RX1 full frame. >>>>>> If I was not shooting with an M240 that would be my camera of choice. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm afraid at this point I have no patience for an M9 and the money >>>>>> I'd >>>>>> have >>>>>> to pay for one. I see it as a failed camera. A nice try, but no cigar. >>>>>> The fact that its no longer made speaks for itself. >>>>>> It was strike two. >>>>>> And strike three is not going to happen for the new digital Leica >>>>>> company >>>>>> because the Leica M240 and Monochrom are huge winners taking the >>>>>> company >>>>>> up >>>>>> to a higher level which I'm excited about. One in which far more >>>>>> serious >>>>>> users are using rangefinder Leica gear. >>>>>> And the S Too. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not excited about people on the Leica list talking about a cropped >>>>>> fuji >>>>>> as if its a replacement for a full frame M. which it clearly isn't. >>>>>> I'd expect to hear such garbage on the fuji list if there is one. >>>>>> Or a bunch of computer geeks talking gadgets du jour. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6/25/13 6:39 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark I could be considered biased here ;-) >>>>>>> However just suggesting what may work best for Ric whose apparently >>>>>>> now >>>>>>> facing a large repair bill for a previously repaired M8. Personally >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> would be very frustrated in his position and very reluctant to spend >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> on the M8. I would maybe also be elevating my protest if the repair >>>>>> agency >>>>>>> has said no to a warranty claim. Everyone's circumstance is different >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> their own of course. My understanding of that shutter problem was >>>>>>> that >>>>>> the >>>>>>> slower max speed ones ought to be better. The shutter unit is in any >>>>>> case a >>>>>>> standard Copal unit that has been in many many camera for years >>>>>> including I >>>>>>> think R cameras and the M9 too. I know nothing on any MTBF histories >>>>>> though. >>>>>>> For what it's worth the excellent Fuji cameras are back ordered >>>>>> everywhere >>>>>>> here as well... But you can pick up almost any M lens or a Monochrom >>>>>>> or >>>>>> an >>>>>>> M-E or an X anything or even a Dlux jeans edition right off a shelf. >>>>>>> You >>>>>>> would wait longer for an M though...but my wait is over ;-) >>>>>>> On Jun 26, 2013 7:28 AM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Geoff you seem to be suggesting that someone on the LUG go out and >>>>>>>> buy >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> Leica camera. I can't even belive what I am reading. You are way off >>>>>> topic. >>>>>>>> This is the Fuji only zone. >>>>>>>> Here today gone tomorrow cameras only. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 6/25/13 5:16 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can only speak about the international warranty Ric where that is >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> case. I don't know the circumstances of the failure you got nor >>>>>>>>> what >>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> done of course. A camera that goes to Solms at least is assessed >>>>>>>> completely >>>>>>>>> when any paid service is performed and any additional work would be >>>>>>>> quoted >>>>>>>>> and everything adjusted to spec and guaranteed. For the M9 at >>>>>>>>> least at >>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>> point you could buy an additional warranty period too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Family and friends are everything.* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>> Geoff >>>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 25 June 2013 21:32, RicCarter <ric at cartersxrd.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> would that were true--my other M8 died less than a year after >>>>>>>>>> Leica >>>>>> CLA. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> They refused to talk about repaair because they said they had not >>>>>>>> replaced >>>>>>>>>> the shutter. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ric >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 25, 2013, at 5:27 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at >>>>>>>>>> gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pay for a CLA and then get twelve months warranty on the whole >>>>>>>>>>> camera >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>>>> Photography >>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>> Photography >>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> Photography >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/