Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/06/27
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]On Jun 27, 2013, at 10:47 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ many extraordinary images, much appreciated by me , as you know, many shot with reduced format cameras, of a variety like the Nikon D200, so what's wrong with that? Please go back and read the dpreview of the D200. Was a great camera and the only limitation of the reduced format was if you wanted to decorate the side of a bus. Steve > On 6/26/13 4:23 PM, "Steve Barbour" <steve.barbour at gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> On Jun 26, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Why don't you Steve? >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/paw2013/?g2_page=5 >> >> and the preceding pages...(many leica, many other, you can not tell the >> difference) >> >> You would know, if you had taken a look at some of my images, and those of >> many other photographers here. >> >> So a chance for a look now.... me, I'm out. >> >> No more, I'm on my way to make some pictures. >> >> >> Steve >> >> >>> On 6/26/13 2:34 PM, "Steve Barbour" <steve.barbour at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> hey Mark, why don't you hang it up and take some good pictures with what >>>> ever.... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 26, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Good value" is a key term concerning this whole Leica deal. >>>>> A fact that since its inception there was always a cheaper way to take >>>>> pictures. Always will be. Won't a Pentax Spotmatic still take very >>>>> nice >>>>> pictures? >>>>> If it did and it cost half a Leica then its clearly to most people a >>>>> better >>>>> value is it not? >>>>> Or a Nikon F used by the vast majority of pro's a while back. Why pay >>>>> more >>>>> than what the pros are paying? Don't you need to be looking through the >>>>> lens? >>>>> But a few went for the Leica for the numerous reasons which gets >>>>> occasionally discussed here and other Leica lists. >>>>> 1. You get to NOT look through the lens. >>>>> 2. Premium build and glass. >>>>> 3. more compact basic size form. >>>>> 4. a bit more low key on the job >>>>> >>>>> 5. looks nicer. >>>>> 6. feels nicer. >>>>> 8. a better investment of money. >>>>> 9. I forgot. >>>>> 10. _____ insert your own reason here. >>>>> >>>>> As far as Leica goes it should got without saying there is always a >>>>> cheaper >>>>> way out. And that gets called " good value". And that term was used by >>>>> a >>>>> few >>>>> others in the past couple of days and in reviews of the New Vario X I >>>>> just >>>>> read...."but is it a good value?" they guy said. >>>>> >>>>> Any of my Leica lenses I got in the 90's and beyond I can sell for >>>>> twice >>>>> what I laid out for them new. >>>>> Any Nikon lens I got was like driving out of a dealership with a new >>>>> car. >>>>> A not small irretrievable loss had just occurred. >>>>> >>>>> And every time I reached for my 35mm ASPH f2 Summicron M it didn't ask >>>>> me >>>>> for another $1495. >>>>> It just made better images than any Nikon lens I had by far. >>>>> 16x20 and 20x24 inch prints made first in my darkroom and then on my >>>>> Epson >>>>> in odd sizes made for no doubt. >>>>> And still I got to use the lens and it never once asked me for more >>>>> cash. >>>>> The $1495 was gone. I'd long forgotten what else I may have done with >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> Yes put me on the list please! >>>>> Check it twice. >>>>> >>>>> I have faith that many more of us will be getting new Leica M's this >>>>> year >>>>> and in the very near future. As plenty other people brand new to all >>>>> things >>>>> Leica will be this year and in the very near future. And many of these >>>>> people will be doing some high profile work. >>>>> Soon you wont be able to get a decent table in a McDonalds without a >>>>> Leica >>>>> M >>>>> in your side bag. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 6/26/13 2:14 AM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Mark, I doubt that anyone else on the list is as enthused with the >>>>>> new M >>>>>> (or all of the M stuff I guess) as I am. I just got mine yesterday so >>>>>> I'm >>>>>> barely starting to learn it. >>>>>> Of course they are also still in extremely short supply and they cost >>>>>> a >>>>>> lot. So was the M8 and the M9 initially. Actually mine cost me >>>>>> significantly less than my M9 (which is going to a good home on the >>>>>> list). >>>>>> I was just commenting that the Fuji cameras are very popular and seem >>>>>> like >>>>>> good value, so much so here that no-one can sell you one in my city >>>>>> currently which is a little ironic. Do I need one and would I buy >>>>>> one, no, >>>>>> for the very obvious reason that I'm lucky enough to have a great >>>>>> camera >>>>>> with superb lenses to use. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll put you on my group email list for stuff on the new camera if you >>>>>> like. There just aren't many owners here as yet, I think. Henning a >>>>>> couple >>>>>> of others as I recall. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Family and friends are everything.* >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Geoff >>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 26 June 2013 13:39, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Well I hope my tone was clear I'm on your side for being the only >>>>>>> one to >>>>>>> mention the Leica brand on the thread I think it was an M240 you >>>>>>> recommended. >>>>>>> I was a bit put off by the unanimous consensus to get the Fuji system >>>>>>> camera >>>>>>> on the LUG today. Leica has moved far beyond this now. Cropped >>>>>>> systems. >>>>>>> The fuji is a half assed compromise. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't feel if that's what your now saying that the fact that the >>>>>>> Fuji >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> sold out that that makes it an item of interest for a list of >>>>>>> supposed >>>>>>> Leica >>>>>>> lovers. It just means they made a camera marketed at the masses and >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> succeeding on that account. >>>>>>> As far as APS-2 1.5x compacts go I'm ok with the ones with non >>>>>>> interchangeable lenes. The idea of using my set of Leica glass on a >>>>>>> cropped >>>>>>> format with odd balance and limited compatibility does not excite >>>>>>> me. But >>>>>>> quite puts me off. >>>>>>> The APS-C format is fine for me on a camera which goes into a pants >>>>>>> pocket. >>>>>>> I'd even go the Vario X route though it would need a coat pocket. >>>>>>> The compact glass on the Leica X2 or Vario are made for that format. >>>>>>> As are some other ones. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fujifilm X100s $1,299 1.5 crop >>>>>>> Leica X2 $1,995 1.5 crop >>>>>>> Nikon Coolpix A $1,097 1.5 crop >>>>>>> Ricoh GR $797 1.5 crop >>>>>>> Sigma DP1, 2 or 3. $999 with a sensor closer to 2x crop. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But the camera to get of course is the Sony RX1 full frame. >>>>>>> If I was not shooting with an M240 that would be my camera of choice. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm afraid at this point I have no patience for an M9 and the money >>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> to pay for one. I see it as a failed camera. A nice try, but no >>>>>>> cigar. >>>>>>> The fact that its no longer made speaks for itself. >>>>>>> It was strike two. >>>>>>> And strike three is not going to happen for the new digital Leica >>>>>>> company >>>>>>> because the Leica M240 and Monochrom are huge winners taking the >>>>>>> company >>>>>>> up >>>>>>> to a higher level which I'm excited about. One in which far more >>>>>>> serious >>>>>>> users are using rangefinder Leica gear. >>>>>>> And the S Too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not excited about people on the Leica list talking about a >>>>>>> cropped >>>>>>> fuji >>>>>>> as if its a replacement for a full frame M. which it clearly isn't. >>>>>>> I'd expect to hear such garbage on the fuji list if there is one. >>>>>>> Or a bunch of computer geeks talking gadgets du jour. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6/25/13 6:39 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mark I could be considered biased here ;-) >>>>>>>> However just suggesting what may work best for Ric whose apparently >>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>> facing a large repair bill for a previously repaired M8. >>>>>>>> Personally I >>>>>>>> would be very frustrated in his position and very reluctant to spend >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> on the M8. I would maybe also be elevating my protest if the repair >>>>>>> agency >>>>>>>> has said no to a warranty claim. Everyone's circumstance is >>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> their own of course. My understanding of that shutter problem was >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> slower max speed ones ought to be better. The shutter unit is in any >>>>>>> case a >>>>>>>> standard Copal unit that has been in many many camera for years >>>>>>> including I >>>>>>>> think R cameras and the M9 too. I know nothing on any MTBF histories >>>>>>> though. >>>>>>>> For what it's worth the excellent Fuji cameras are back ordered >>>>>>> everywhere >>>>>>>> here as well... But you can pick up almost any M lens or a >>>>>>>> Monochrom or >>>>>>> an >>>>>>>> M-E or an X anything or even a Dlux jeans edition right off a >>>>>>>> shelf. You >>>>>>>> would wait longer for an M though...but my wait is over ;-) >>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 2013 7:28 AM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Geoff you seem to be suggesting that someone on the LUG go out and >>>>>>>>> buy >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> Leica camera. I can't even belive what I am reading. You are way >>>>>>>>> off >>>>>>> topic. >>>>>>>>> This is the Fuji only zone. >>>>>>>>> Here today gone tomorrow cameras only. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 6/25/13 5:16 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I can only speak about the international warranty Ric where that >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> case. I don't know the circumstances of the failure you got nor >>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>> done of course. A camera that goes to Solms at least is assessed >>>>>>>>> completely >>>>>>>>>> when any paid service is performed and any additional work would >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> quoted >>>>>>>>>> and everything adjusted to spec and guaranteed. For the M9 at >>>>>>>>>> least at >>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>> point you could buy an additional warranty period too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Family and friends are everything.* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>> Geoff >>>>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 25 June 2013 21:32, RicCarter <ric at cartersxrd.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> would that were true--my other M8 died less than a year after >>>>>>>>>>> Leica >>>>>>> CLA. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> They refused to talk about repaair because they said they had not >>>>>>>>> replaced >>>>>>>>>>> the shutter. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ric >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 25, 2013, at 5:27 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at >>>>>>>>>>> gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pay for a CLA and then get twelve months warranty on the whole >>>>>>>>>>>> camera >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>>>>> Photography >>>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>>> Photography >>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>> Photography >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> Photography >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information