Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/09/11

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Subject: [Leica] S snapshots
From: jsmith342 at gmail.com (Jeffery Smith)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 19:58:58 -0500
References: <CE56847E.10597%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Even if they did buy the Voigtlander name, as I recall the camera bodies are 
stamped "Voigtlander Germany". That seems deliberately misleading.

Jeffery


On Sep 11, 2013, at 7:35 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> One of my little problems with Cosina which itched in the craw in the
> background was they never wanted  to put their name on their own products
> like they used to in the 60's. Was that the dad?  A Cosina SLR was a quite
> nice option to Minolta or Mamiya or Miranda  or Yashica. Nobody complained.
> Nobody said "not don't use  your own name for gods sake use German ones
> instead you'll make more money"
> 
> As a person who is very familiar with what a Voigtl?nder or Zeiss product
> looks like and feels like and what they do it went down funny as the lack 
> of
> integrity behind the whole thing is  really just odd. I mean why use your
> own name when you can buy someone's better? I can think of a few.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/11/13 8:04 PM, "Jefffery Smith" <jsmith342 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I think the first Cosina things out were a Bessa L (with horrific shutter
>> vibration) and some non-coupled ultrawides like the 12, 15, and 25. They 
>> did
>> seem to be saying that they didn't wish to compete with Leica, but did. 
>> And in
>> the long run they may have rejuvenated enough interest in rangefinders to
>> ultimately benefit Leica. Like marijuana leading to "the hard stuff", they
>> definitely gave a lot of people the rangefinder bug. I would have never
>> ventured into the LUG had I not heard about it in one of Stephen Gandy's
>> forums (RF or CVUG).
>> 
>> Jeffery
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> My memory is it was a 75mm lens they started with which they promised 
>>> would
>>> be the last Leica lens they'd make they had no intention of competing 
>>> with
>>> Leica. Then they came out with a body. Then a wide.  Though I'm really a
>>> capitalist and am all for competition and feel positive about most of the
>>> output of the Cosina company and its alternate lower price point and have
>>> and use some of their stuff, glass and bodies In both my Leica M, LTM and
>>> also my Nikon DSLR systems. Also some of the Cosina stuff shows some
>>> imagination that Leica didn't have. Compact slower optics as Leica was
>>> coming out with metal munching high speed monsters with a price tag which
>>> reads like a house down payment.
>>> Though in many cases glass wise I'd rather go with an older Leica from a
>>> previous decade as resolution and contrast is not such a big thing for me
>>> all the time with digital.
>>> 
>>> I like the idea more of glass being the best it can be in 1960 more than
>>> glass made in 2013 dumbed down to fit the money pocketbooks of the 
>>> consuming
>>> masses.
>>> And I like Nickel and brass more than I like aluminum and plastic.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/11/13 5:52 PM, "Jefffery Smith" <jsmith342 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> My recollection is that Cosina ultrawides piqued interest in people who
>>>> couldn't justify paying for a Leica ultrawide. I'm not sure I can 
>>>> justify
>>>> paying for a Cosina ultrawide; I just don't use them any more. I do 
>>>> remember
>>>> when digital was sort of a verboten subject on the LUG. These days, 
>>>> digital
>>>> is
>>>> the norm on the LUG.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm glad that this group is still hanging in there, even if they don't
>>>> always
>>>> use Leica. I quit the Pentax forum because (1) it often didn't involve
>>>> Pentax,
>>>> and (2) it often didn't even involve photography. That's a bad 
>>>> combination.
>>>> 
>>>> Jeffery 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> Photographer
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>>> 
>>> 
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> 
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