Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/01/12

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Subject: [Leica] Sony b&w
From: benedenia at gmail.com (Marty Deveney)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:08:03 +1030
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Problems with alignment are the most obvious issues I've seen.  This:
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/09/there-is-no-free-lunch-episode-763-lens-adapters
summarises the whole problem well and
"that great lens certainly wouldn?t be as good as it would be on its
native-mount camera" is the perfect one-sentence explanation for what I've
seen.  The Leitz LTM-to-M adaptors I have aren't adequate to show the best
performance of good LTM lenses on the sensor of the M or Monochrom and show
assymetrical smearing of the edges.  Twice I have had to go through 3 or 4
adapters to get a good (not great) one and that's from reliable brands.
 Adapting lenses to non-native mounts is all good harmless fun, and I
encourage people to use what they have, but a lot of the time for critical
work they aren't good enough.  I do use my cameras for technical and
scientific purposes as well as just general photography, so lots of my gear
gets looked at very hard.

I have also recently had the mount replaced and helicoid on my e58 Noctilux
re-built to make sure everything was properly aligned - but the lens is 36
years old and has been used really hard (as, I think, it should).

Marty



On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at 
gmail.com>wrote:

>
> On Jan 12, 2014, at 4:35 AM, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, 12 January 2014, Steve Barbour wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> It's great (potential) news; having choice is good.  The Zeiss lenses
> for
> >>> these cameras are incredible, but there aren't enough - I'd love a
> camera
> >>> like this, but there is no 28 or short tele, the latter of which I
> >>> particularly need.
> >>
> >> use the R to E adapter and R lenses
> >
> >
> > Sure, I already have 28 and 80 R lenses, but I like native lenses -
> > adaptors always have problems.  I also like a familial lens set where I
> can
> > get different focal lengths with matching rendition - and the 80
> Summilux -
> > although probably my favourite short tele, is almost the complete
> opposite
> > of the 55/1.8 FE lens for the A7 in native rendition.  I also don't see
> > much point using an autofocus camera with manual focus lenses, especially
> > when you'd already be dealing with the problems above.
>
>
>
> what problems?
>
> s
>
>
>
> >
> > Marty
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> s
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Marty
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sunday, 12 January 2014, Adam Bridge wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I read this report yesterday. I?m not sure what to do with it. Leica?s
> >>>> experiment with the monochrom seems to have come years too late.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are many reasons, of course, why a monochrome sensor makes sense
> >> for
> >>>> those of us who want to shoot black and white. But will Sony make the
> >>>> gamble? Is there enough of a market to make it worthwhile?
> >>>>
> >>>> On one hand Sony is trying to up its stake in the high-end market so
> the
> >>>> monochrome model of the A7 (or whatever) would make sense. But they
> >> would
> >>>> probably need to see sales in the 10s of thousands for it to pay off
> for
> >>>> them. Is the market large enough?
> >>>>
> >>>> With the low end of the market being eaten up by camera phones (many
> of
> >>>> which are quite good - I?m sure impressed by the cameras in the
> iPhone 5
> >>>> and most especially that of the iPhone 5s) the upper end is the chance
> >> for
> >>>> camera companies to compete and perhaps prosper.
> >>>>
> >>>> I?m hopeful but not optimistic.
> >>>>
> >>>> Adam
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 11, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Douglas Nygren <douglasnygren at 
> >>>> yahoo.com
> <javascript:;>
> >> <javascript:;>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I don't know whether it's been noted yet on the lug, but a friend
> sent
> >>>> me a link to a story
> >>>>> reporting a rumor that Sony is working on a black and white digital
> >>>> camera.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This would make sense. The Monochrom is priced to invite competition
> to
> >>>> undersell it,
> >>>>> and if it allows Leica lenses to be used on it, the rival makes
> itself
> >>>> all the more appealing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here is the link:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> http://petapixel.com/2014/01/10/sony-supposedly-working-full-frame-camera-shoots-black-white/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers--Doug
> >>>>>
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