Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/01/12

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Subject: [Leica] Sony b&w
From: benedenia at gmail.com (Marty Deveney)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:54:41 +1030
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Thanks Steve.  For what I do for me a lot of this doesn't matter, but for
what I do for publication or clients it often matters a lot.

Marty


On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 12:41 PM, steve barbour <steve.barbour at 
gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 12, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Problems with alignment are the most obvious issues I've seen.  This:
> >
> http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/09/there-is-no-free-lunch-episode-763-lens-adapters
> > summarises the whole problem well and
> > "that great lens certainly wouldn?t be as good as it would be on its
> > native-mount camera" is the perfect one-sentence explanation for what
> I've
> > seen.  The Leitz LTM-to-M adaptors I have aren't adequate to show the
> best
> > performance of good LTM lenses on the sensor of the M or Monochrom and
> show
> > assymetrical smearing of the edges.  Twice I have had to go through 3 or
> 4
> > adapters to get a good (not great) one and that's from reliable brands.
> > Adapting lenses to non-native mounts is all good harmless fun, and I
> > encourage people to use what they have, but a lot of the time for
> critical
> > work they aren't good enough.  I do use my cameras for technical and
> > scientific purposes as well as just general photography, so lots of my
> gear
> > gets looked at very hard.
> >
> > I have also recently had the mount replaced and helicoid on my e58
> Noctilux
> > re-built to make sure everything was properly aligned - but the lens is
> 36
> > years old and has been used really hard (as, I think, it should).
>
> Thanks Marty, I understand... Sounds very complex ... Hats off to you for
> being so demanding.
>
> s
>
>
> >
> > Marty
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at 
> > gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 4:35 AM, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sunday, 12 January 2014, Steve Barbour wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com
> >> <javascript:;>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> It's great (potential) news; having choice is good.  The Zeiss lenses
> >> for
> >>>>> these cameras are incredible, but there aren't enough - I'd love a
> >> camera
> >>>>> like this, but there is no 28 or short tele, the latter of which I
> >>>>> particularly need.
> >>>>
> >>>> use the R to E adapter and R lenses
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sure, I already have 28 and 80 R lenses, but I like native lenses -
> >>> adaptors always have problems.  I also like a familial lens set where I
> >> can
> >>> get different focal lengths with matching rendition - and the 80
> >> Summilux -
> >>> although probably my favourite short tele, is almost the complete
> >> opposite
> >>> of the 55/1.8 FE lens for the A7 in native rendition.  I also don't see
> >>> much point using an autofocus camera with manual focus lenses,
> especially
> >>> when you'd already be dealing with the problems above.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> what problems?
> >>
> >> s
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Marty
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> s
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Marty
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sunday, 12 January 2014, Adam Bridge wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I read this report yesterday. I?m not sure what to do with it.
> Leica?s
> >>>>>> experiment with the monochrom seems to have come years too late.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There are many reasons, of course, why a monochrome sensor makes
> sense
> >>>> for
> >>>>>> those of us who want to shoot black and white. But will Sony make
> the
> >>>>>> gamble? Is there enough of a market to make it worthwhile?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On one hand Sony is trying to up its stake in the high-end market so
> >> the
> >>>>>> monochrome model of the A7 (or whatever) would make sense. But they
> >>>> would
> >>>>>> probably need to see sales in the 10s of thousands for it to pay off
> >> for
> >>>>>> them. Is the market large enough?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> With the low end of the market being eaten up by camera phones (many
> >> of
> >>>>>> which are quite good - I?m sure impressed by the cameras in the
> >> iPhone 5
> >>>>>> and most especially that of the iPhone 5s) the upper end is the
> chance
> >>>> for
> >>>>>> camera companies to compete and perhaps prosper.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I?m hopeful but not optimistic.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Adam
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jan 11, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Douglas Nygren <
> douglasnygren at yahoo.com
> >> <javascript:;>
> >>>> <javascript:;>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I don't know whether it's been noted yet on the lug, but a friend
> >> sent
> >>>>>> me a link to a story
> >>>>>>> reporting a rumor that Sony is working on a black and white digital
> >>>>>> camera.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This would make sense. The Monochrom is priced to invite
> competition
> >> to
> >>>>>> undersell it,
> >>>>>>> and if it allows Leica lenses to be used on it, the rival makes
> >> itself
> >>>>>> all the more appealing.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Here is the link:
> >>
> http://petapixel.com/2014/01/10/sony-supposedly-working-full-frame-camera-shoots-black-white/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cheers--Doug
> >>>>>>>
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