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Subject: [Leica] Monochrom high iso test
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:12:21 -0800
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On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:16 PM, Bob Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am not buying any more photo gear this year!


yeh  yeh....


> (Runs down hallway screaming with hands over ears...)
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:15 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> We all know you will get one, it is just when ;-) I can pick out a few 
>> more if you want...... 
>> 
>> john
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> On Behalf Of Bob Adler
>> 
>> It's killing me...
>> I keep telling myself the M is close enough... Then John goes and shoves 
>> it in my face...
>> Grrrrr
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think that these kinds of samples should come with a warning
>>> "Caution May induce symptoms of severe GAS in some viewers".
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Geoff
>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 29 January 2014 12:55, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> A couple of examples:
>>>> 
>>>> http://johnmcmaster.com/PAW/2013/27/content/L2003238_large.html
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://johnmcmaster.com/PESO/LUG/05-TwilightZone/content/L2003805_HDR_large.html
>>>> 
>>>> http://johnmcmaster.com/PAW/2013/41/content/L2004005_large.html
>>>> 
>>>> http://johnmcmaster.com/PAW/2014/02/content/L2004327_large.html
>>>> 
>>>> You can start to see the effect in these 1200 pixel images, it looks
>>>> lovely in the original......
>>>> 
>>>> john
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> 
>>>> OK, THAT is hard core :-)
>>>> 
>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
>>>> // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:41 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Ditto, I often use an ND1.8 so I can use 5000 during the day ;-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> john
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I love the texture at ISO 5000 so much particularly in low light with
>>>>> lower contrast lenses, that I don't do anything to the noise.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marty
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tuesday, 28 January 2014, Richard Man <richard at 
>>>>> richardmanphoto.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just out of curiosity, does anyone who do all sort of tricks to get
>>>>>> "better noise behaviors" etc. have good photos to show?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Jay Burleson
>>>>>> <leica at jayburleson.com<javascript:;>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am more apt to follow Ted's advice and just go out and shoot, but
>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>> interest has been raised here and on other forums for me to
>>>>>>> undertake
>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> absolutely non-scientific test.
>>>>>>> There has been some chatter about deliberately underexposing the M9
>>>>>>> at a lower iso and then pushing the exposure in post to get better
>>>>>>> noise results, and questions have been asked, since the Monochrom
>>>>>>> shares the
>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> base sensor as the M9, if that would work with it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The answer is yes and no.
>>>>>>> It is doable, but (to my eye), there is no appreciable reason to do
>>>> it.
>>>>>>> There is a slight (approx. 1/4 stop) gain in the highlight side of
>>>>>>> the histogram, but the overall noise is the same, and when fully
>>>>>>> processed,
>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> real differences.
>>>>>>> It does demonstrate how much detail is available in the Monochrom
>>>>>> shadows;
>>>>>>> a 5 stop push on the underexposed image was just fine.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> #2171: iso 10000, -.3 stop exposure compensation, no other Lightroom
>>>>>>> adjustments.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> #2172: iso 1250, -.3 stop exposure compensation, + 3 stops exposure
>>>>>>> added in Lightroom.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> #2171A: Additional post processing in Lightroom to look correct (in
>>>>>>> my opinion).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> #2172A: Additional post processing in Lightroom to look correct (in
>>>>>>> my opinion).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The images are here:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://jayburleson.com/leica/misc_images/mm_iso_test/
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jay,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jay Burleson Gallery
>>>>>>> <http://jayburleson.com/leica/gallery/index.php/>
>> 
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